Recap: Kings 103 Cavs 84 (Or, 36 Minutes of Garbage Time)
2015-01-12https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0WXxhN4_w
This loss was an especially tough one to witness. My PTSD from watching four years of LeBron James less Cavs triggered some pretty dark thoughts. This one was the scariest: “Pau Gasol scored 46 points for the Bulls two nights ago, and he’s not even their best player. I even lived in Chicago for a few years. Being born and raised in a city doesn’t really mean that much.” I’m here though and recapping, so I guess I’m still a fan.
The Cavs reverted to good old isolation ball as the mode of offense this game, and defensively, they refused to try. It was pathetic. DeMarcus Cousins boogied his way to 26 points on 11-23 shooting, and also had four steals, three blocks, and 13 rebounds. He made hook shots, drained jump shots, and whipped cross-court passes with five guys crashing to the paint to stop him. He even completed more fast breaks than the Cavs guards did. His partner in crime, Rudy Gay, added 23 points and did a little posting up of his own to show his wide range of non-Toronto appropriate basketball skills. When it was all finished, the Kings looked efficient mixtaping the Cavs in transition and letting Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love beat themselves with poor shooting and high turnover performances. This was a well deserved loss.
First Quarter:
The Cavs began the game trying to move the ball, and that created a wide open three for Love to brick on the first possession. He made up for it by sinking two short mid range jumpers in a row, the only type of shot he could make in the quarter. Cousins opened with two jumpers in a row too, which was scary because it pulled Timofey Mozgov out of the paint and exposed his inability to cover a mobile center. The Cavs then decided to go to the pig trough and see what being sloppy was all about. Love got position down low at the trough and was caught with food in his mouth, so Boogie ripped the ball from him and went coast to coast for an easy two. He looked like Ty Lawson running the floor. Gay grabbed a steal the next time down the wood and caught an oop at the other end to put the Kings up, 8-12.
At this point it got ugly. J.R. Smith chucked a three out of a panic timeout, and Boogie was treating Love like a term that is used for the weak in prison. The Kings stole a Smith pass two possessions later to notch six points off of turnovers with more than six minutes left in the quarter. Kyrie had to drill a long three to end the King’s turnover fueled 8-1 run. The Cavs offense turned into the Kyrie show for the remainder of the quarter. He dished an assist to Love, and proceeded to nail three threes. He needed to hit them to get a license to over dribble the ball, which he did a lot. On a positive note (see the intro video) Timofey Mozgov had a nice block on Darren Collison to enable one of the treys. The Cavs barely survived the quarter and should have been down by a lot more. Kings up, 29-30.
Second Quarter
The Good Guys started the quarter with the Irving on the bench, thus their entire offense on the bench. The Kings started the quarter utilizing the power of the Boogie to pull three defenders into the paint and create an open three. These 12 minutes were slowed down. Both teams combined to score just seven points in the first few minutes. Nonetheless, the Kings went on a slow motion 12-7 run to get to the 5:30 mark and the return of Kyrie. DMC blocked a Tristan Thompson offensive board and TT Big Boy blocked DMC the following play. It was epic.
Kyrie did some work, and Mozgov enabled the clock punching with offensive boards and enthusiastic picks. Boogie showed his breadth of skills during the final few minutes scoring on a Kobe-esque “I’m gonna get you called for touching my cookie jar” jumper. Love scored the final Cavs points of the quarter at 2:48 by making his first three of the night. Then Smith was abused with some Rudy Gay post ups, there were two more turnovers, and five guys cheated into the paint to stop Boogie. The Kings ended the quarter on a seven point run, 44-59.
Third Quarter
The Cavs started this quarter obviously being told to play defense and move the ball. It sort of worked for a few plays. The defense got a block on DMC and caused a shot clock violation, but the offense just couldn’t score on open shots. The Cavs reverted to iso ball; it took four minutes for them to get a bucket. Boogie got another solo fast break, and the collective mind of Cavs fans did this:
Halfway through the quarter the Kingless Men were down 19 even though they scored eight points in forty seconds, led by garbage boy Timmy’s offensive rebounding and cutting. Cleveland traded shots with Kings the remaining six minutes to stay behind by 19. Love hit back-to-back threes and Rudy shot 3-3. At no point did I feel a run was going down by the Cavs. They were playing a 1-4 type setup; it wasn’t successful. Mind you, that is referring to their effort levels and not their offensive positioning. Cheers to Mozgov for not giving up with the Cavs down, 64-85.
Fourth Quarter
The Cavs started with ball movement again. Kyrie scored a quick two, and DeMarcus did the same. Kevin even had a big man +1 after managing to flip in a shot while being pushed down. The Cavs were getting open shots, but couldn’t make anything at all. In fact, they bricked five threes up until the reserves came in with around six minutes left, and the Kings up by 24. I honestly thought to myself that the Wine & Gold would go on a run behind Haywood and the reserves when the bench cleared. Haywood got blocked on his first shot, and I flashed back to last season. This is being a Cavs fan. Cavs lose easily, 84-103.
Hypes
1. This game yielded nothing to be happy about aside from Timofey Mozgov. Mozgov ran the floor like a champ and was the only guy on the team to actually attempt defense. He had two blocks, 12 rebounds (4 offensive), and 14 points. When everyone else stopped trying, he managed to keep hustling and not submit to the effort draining disease that is Cleveland Basketball.
2. No one got injured, and Kyrie and Love must have had fun, since they got to shoot the ball a combined 39 times. Shooting the ball is always fun.
3.David Blatt fired shots that were really well put. Jason Lloyd quoted him saying Love isn’t a max player when asked about the poor play of a team with two max guys.
“Well Kev’s not a max player yet, is he?”
Gripes
1.This team doesn’t try. I don’t even need to explain this. Watch any of the Cousins’ solo fastbreaks, and my point is proven.
2.Cousins is fun to watch. The man has it all right now. He had four blocks and looks to be in the right place defensively on a consistent basis. Offensively, he can do anything. He is probably the best posting big man in the league, but he can still shoot the ball well enough to drag other bigs out of the paint and into stupidity territory. He even runs the court like a point guard on the break. And, he makes the perfect pass when tripled or doubled.
3. It’s mind blowing that the Cavs had five fastbreak points and Boogie had four of his own. The Kings scored a total of 17 points in transition and had 22 points off of 14 Cavs turnovers. The King’s Men need to clean up their ball handling and transition defense.
4. More than one time in the game the Kings finished fast breaks with one guy going against three lollygagging Cavs.
5. Once again, the Cavs failed to shoot the three ball. They were 11-32 and three of those makes came during real fourth quarter garbage time.
6. J.R. Smith stunk it up: getting just four points and tossing the ball away four times.
7. The Cavs had just nine meaningful bench points tonight. The remainder were scored in the fourth.
8. Defensively, this team is bad individually. As a team, I think they’re serviceable covering and recovering on the pick and roll. The Kings must have recognized this because they constantly went at guys individually. Rudy Gay kept getting the ball whenever J.R. Smith was matched up on him. He did multi-million dollar deals from the post. DMC is always a handful, but the Cavs didn’t give their bigs enough of a chance to cover him sometimes when they would triple team the paint and give up threes.
9. Darren Collison managed the game for the Kings and didn’t screw up. That’s what he does. It would have been nice to see the Cavs try to disrupt him and get in his face more.
10. Kevin Love played like he was in a cartoon time traveling episode where his body was constantly being shifted to another dimension, and he didn’t know what to do. Look at this play during the second quarter. Cousins drives in from just under the three line and puts up a nice layup. It’s off, but Kevin doesn’t box out, so Boogie can go right up for it. No problem, Love has long arms. However, he makes it a problem when he is time warped into some land where the ball is a fireball, and he has to alligator arm it to avoid being burned. Boogie then grabs the ball and gets the put back.
10. Also, Kevin’s post moves look off. All big guys look calculated, but Love is looking like AOL dial up video calculated. His moves are so choppy.
11. This team might need to lose more. They’re currently 19-19 and in the sixth spot in the East. Miami is three games behind. If I were David Blatt, I would let them play without LeBron for at least three more games. Reality needs to set in for Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving. The team can’t win with them not running an offense. This has been proven. Isolation ball can only get you so far. I don’t think Blatt is doing the best coaching job, but I don’t think the team is doing the best job of being coached either. Rock bottom hasn’t been hit yet. I want to see what happens when it’s reached because even LeBron can’t turn this team around right now.
The Positive Thoughts
I decided to ask my fellow Bloggers for a positive take on the game, so I could leave on a good note. Here’s what I got.
Tom Pestak: Mozgov looks like a key piece.
Mallory Factor: I’m trying to put together a positive sentence, but I can’t, because this team, frankly, doesn’t deserve it; the bench is horrible, no one can pass, and there isn’t a even a remote semblance of play calling.
Myself: No one got injured.
Ould have a heavy contingent at the d league showcase coming up.
Sounds like the Cavs are still interested in Tayshaun Prince if he were to get a buyout from the Celtics.
Whatever happened with Dalembert? Did he wind up getting through waivers? I know Mozgov fills the rim protector role, but they could always use another big man with Andy gone…
Sam D cleared waivers. I don’t think the Cavs want age right now. They Need youth. They sho
BUCKEYE NATION STANDS TALL —–GO BUCKS—GREAT JOB——THESE CAVS NEED TO LEARN FROM THIS FOOTBALL TEAM—-PLAY THRU ADVERSITY / PLAY THRU INJURIES / STAY TOUGH / STAY TOGETHER /—-START SLOW —FINISH STRONG ——IT IS YOUR TURN CAVS TO MAN UP !!
Have an unbelievable amount of talent at your backup positions…
James Jones is averaging 15 minutes and .286 field goal percentage in the past 10 games. How is his defense?
The cavs are like the anti-Buckeyes. OSU QBs get hurt and they just win more. The cavs immediately implode
Tonight Det beat Tor, and Orlando beat Chi. The good news is that the Cavs picked up a half game on Tor and Chi. The bad news is that Orl and Det picked up a half game on the Cavs.
Tonight:
Detroit . . . 114
Toronto . . .111
Drummond 10 pts 14 rebounds
Valanciunas 31 pts 12 rebounds
And Tyler Zeller started tonight. 2 pts 4 reb in 21 minutes against Omer Asik.
People are mad at Kevin Love and I agree a little bit because of his lack of defense but to be honest right now the Cavs don’t have someone (PG) that can run the Cavs offense efficiently. Kyrie is a SG forced to play like a PG and Delly well opposing teams just lay off of him and his shooting doesn’t help with the spacing on offense.
Oh and yes, the Cavs defense really sucks and sometimes it seems like Love and Kyrie are just worrying more about their stats than overall team success.
I still have some hope that things will fall into place. (Of course, I expect the Indians to win every year, too).
Although I was against the trade, I think the “piling on” of Love right now is a bit much. He has a lot of skills that can be used, it just that he is not the “do everything superman” that people were hoping for. Where did all that “top 5 NBA player” talk come from? The Cavs need a better plan to make use of what Love can do.
I’d settle for watching him put his hands up on D… just once.
Our bench has all the athleticism of a 16 seed in the NCAA tournament right now.
That good? You sure they’d even make the tourney? Maybe just an NIT team?
@ChrisBHaynes: #Cavs F LeBron James (knee, back) practiced today and is a game time decision against Suns on Tuesday.
Does it depend on whether or not his flight gets delayed coming back from the National Championship game?
No I thinks it more along the lines of whether or not he’s too hung over after partying with Manziel. “Happy Birthday Bron-Bron!”
@ChrisBHaynes: LeBron James insists he’s isn’t coming back sooner because #Cavs are struggling. He said the team wouldn’t allow him to come back earlier.
@mcten: Blatt said he talked to Love about his max contract comment: “He had no problem with it”
More than anything, I feel like there’s a losing culture that has permeated the team since day one. Having so many consecutive bad years, mixed with weirdly fitting pieces, obviously affected a lot of the young guys. Granted most of those young guys are gone, but culture is a hard thing to change.
So you’re talking about TT, Kyrie, and maybe Delly? They were the only ones who were here then…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN-aCYVVtyo
“We review…all the fears and anxiety…which are so
inherently symptomatic…of a losing team.
The mind is a strange thing, men.
We must begin by asking it…”What is losing?”
Losing is a disease…
…as contagious as polio.
Losing is a disease…
…as contagious as syphilis.
Losing is a disease…
…as contagious as bubonic plague…
… attacking one…
… but infecting all.
Ah, but curable.
Now, I want you to imagine…
…you are on a ship at sea…
…on a vast…
…calm ocean…
…gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.”
Serenity now.
Serenity now.
Serenity now.
The amount of blame being forced onto Kevin Love is hysterical and also sad. First, Blatt’s Love statements were taken out of context – he was saying that, right now, Love isn’t a max player. Not that he’s not playing like a max player. But regardless, Blatt shouldn’t throw stones in glass houses. Yes, Love has struggled, but so has everyone. Calling out players and getting defensive about yourself when your team is flailing isn’t the best way to reach your team and get them to buy into your system. That’s ultimately what we want, right? Anyone saying Blatt needs… Read more »
I meant to write this, too – the alternative of keeping Wiggins and not having Love is Tristan player 30+ minutes a night. That’s not exactly a pretty prospect….
Yes, because, clearly the Cavs would never have added another big… Also, LeBron’s best position? Power Forward….
Funny, Nate, Lebron may play well at PF, but I’m willing to bet that if you slide Lebron at the 4, Kevin love would succeed well at the 5. Again, IF he’s used properly. Which to this point he hasn’t. Look at how well a stretch four worked in Miami. And Bosh isn’t even CLOSE to the offensive player Love is. Love is a better passer, three point shooter, and scorer in the paint. Unlike in Miami, where you basically HAD to run the offense through Lebron and Wade to create scoring opportunities for everyone else, you can actually feature… Read more »
What are you talking about? Bosh is averaging 21.6 points, 7.8 rebounds, 2 asists with shooting splits of .482/.400/.763, and playing primarily at center in 35 minutes a night. It’s clear that Bosh is currently a BETTER offensive player than Love. He’s doing everything better than Love right now. And he’s also the No. 1 or two focus of the other team’s defense every night. He’s in an exactly analogous situation to Love’s, superior in every offensive category (except assists, which is a wash), and only eclipsed by Love in rebounding.
Mallory is clearly talking about fit. Bosh was nowhere near that player in any season with LeBron. I think it’s pretty obvious that you’re comparing something that Mallory wasn’t. Kevin Love was a 26/13 guy for multiple years before coming here. Chris Bosh was/is not that.
FYI, for the five years prior to going to Miami, Bosh averaged 23/10, with 2.5 assists, 1.2 blocks, while shooting nearly 50% from the floor and 35% from three. There’s a reason he was an all-star.
How about if the Cavs used the pick the gave the TW’s and AB for Thaddius Young? Then the lineup would have been KI, AW, LJ, TY, and AV.
How about over the last ten games (The Cavs game and since), Wiggins is averaging 21 points, 4.7 rebounds, 2.4 assists, and 1.4 steals with shooting splits of .494/.414/.750. That’s pretty much the definition of “lighting it up on a nightly basis.”
10 games does not a season-make. Totally anecdotal.
Kevin Love, over his CAREER, averages 19.1 points. 12.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists, and nearly a steal, while shooting .450/.360/.815. And that’s including a VERY sub-par rookie year that brings those stats way down.
More than anything, though, Love is elite at skills that compliment this Cavs team.
Well, yeah, he had a slow start. He’s a rookie… Griffin and the Cavs are just lucky Wiggins isn’t in a major market. If he played in New York, L.A., or Chicago, the trade would be all anyone is talking about right now and Griffin would probably be out of a job. (Even though I don’t know if it was even his call).
Anecdotal? That’s data. A ten game stretch of very impressive play. Especially for a 19 yr. old rookie who wasn’t expected to have such an elegant array of offensive skills at this point in his career. This stretch is an 1/8 of a season. It’s weird to dismiss that as anecdotal.
I just can’t see those number being consistent and especially he was on the Cavs and everyone else was bringing their best. Nobody has really cared to really cover him. Love is still avg 18 and 11 not bad for the fact they aren’t using him right. Not his fault
Obviously he is not going to keep it up; he’s a 19 year old rookie. The point is that a ten game stretch is more than “anecdotal.” Plus we have seen an offensive game by Wiggins that many thought would take years to develop. He has not only shown potential but tremendous progress in relatively little time. I think it is strange to dismiss this. If Wiggins was still a Cav, we would be freaking out about how awesome he is.
I figured out Kevin Love’s nickname. It’s Kevinnaw. Kevin-Not-Andrew-Wiggins
That’s not bad. I was also reading a Minnesota site where they had previously given him nicknames like:
White Howard, Kevlar and the Love Machine
But my favorite which fits in good times and in bad is: Mr. 20/20 (due to both points/rebounds and how many now view the trade for him in hindsight)
That’s pretty good. I still like Sad Max, beyond Metrodome, but 20/20 is pretty good. We need to keep working on this. Hoops Hershel Walker?
Sad Max: Beyond Metrodome is good, but lengthy.
What about The Penguin since he always keeps his arms at his sides and waddles back on D?
Yes. Love the penguin!!! Also penguins spend a large amount of the year standing still.
What hindsight? The majority of the CtB crew were submitting several times a day to NOT make the trade. When it went through, I said something like “well, I guess David and LeBron know more than me, so maybe it will be a good thing”. The thing that amazed me in that debate is how few people understood the salary implications. As of last summer, most people would rate KL as a better player than AW then, and probably for a year or so. But, AW would be on a rookie contract for several years, and KL was known to… Read more »
Way to cover your bases Raoul, Lol.
You are right. Basically, I am a fan, and don’t usually spend too much time contemplating the worst that could happen. BUT, the way things are going, I am getting seriously worried.
I don’t know about you guys but I blame this loss on Waiters… that’s still a thing right?
Men lie, women lie, BUCKETS DNT.
I’m not in panic mode. I’m just tired of seeing this team not try. Winning is all about setting good habits, learning how to play hard even when you’re tired, and trying hard even if you don’t always know or like the play. Cavs don’t do that right now.
It’s not panic, it’s called dealing with reality. This is not a good team right now. People want to put everything on LBJ not playing, and that’s fine. But they weren’t playing all that well when he was still in the lineup (Miami game anyone? Detroit game anyone? Blowout loss to Atlanta game anyone?) Expecting this team to suddenly just figure things out is just wishcasting at this point. They’re likely to get better with LBJ and Shumpert in the lineup, and with more time to work in JR and Mozgov. But they look nothing like a title contender. I’m… Read more »
I think the key word is “expect”. As the expectations drop for this team, they will play better.
How much lower do you think the expectations need to drop for them to play better? Should we not even expect them to be a playoff team? Should we expect them to be in the lottery again?
Not much lower – people don’t think even with Lebron, they are contenders anymore. Don’t stress, they’ll get better very soon.
I’m not stressed, but I’m rapidly losing interest in this team since they show no interest in winning.
Pitchers and catchers report in one month, LOL
I understand the frustration as we all do but I think some of the things said here after losses are a bit over the top.
In other news how Harris played 23min at a +1 clip is interesting.
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-thunder-scott-brooks-goes-with-dion-waiters-over-reggie-jackson-down-the-stretch/article/5383517 Don’t look now, everyone, but Dion Waiters is already beasting for Oklahoma City. The article talks about his defense and his 4 steals on the night. He was also huge in crunch time. From the article: “It’s a lot different,” Waiters said of the difference between playing in OKC and Cleveland. “I’m able to play, don’t gotta look over my shoulder, things like that. Or if I make a mistake, our head coach is telling me to play, be aggressive, be me. Once you get told that, the game is easy. You just out there playing, having fun, enjoying… Read more »
15 points (7-14, 1-4, 0-1), 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 4 steals in 27 minutes. Also hit the game icing 3 pointer. Good for him.
Dion needed to go somewhere else. He never fit here. He needed to go.
Dion is the definition of inconsistency. I would also add that he went 1-9 in his first game.
Oh, he’ll have games where he struggles. Especially considering he’s on a new team. But, I find it ironic that we traded the guy in the midst of the best defense he’s played in his career. He’s continuing the defensive intensity in OKC.
I agree with Cols, though. He needed to go. He wasn’t going to do it here.
It will be interesting to see if he can keep that up.
Dion is responding to being in a much lower pressure situation. Good for him. Hope he blossoms. Replacing his on-the-ball defense is going to be tough. Hope Shump can do it.
I don’t think I’d call being in a dogfight in the West to scrap your way in to the playoffs a lower pressure situation. OKC has just as high expectations to make the playoffs as the Cavs do
Seems like you’re citing one game as Dion “beasting” for OKC. Would you say the same about JR with his 27 against GS or Mozgove with his double-double against Sacto?
Lol, you’re right – I am saying Dion is beasting for OKC because of one game. The article does a great job of going more in depth (not just looking at stats). Dion came in and his his first 4 jumpers and got the crowd amped. He had 4 steals off the bench. He hit the game icing 3 pointer with 20 seconds left. That’s pretty beastly for a guy coming off the bench. JR Smith had a beast game for Cleveland, too. Mozgov was a beast against Sacramento, as well. But if you’re trying to point to the fact… Read more »
Yes, I was using that logic, and admit that you can’t use one game as a sample size for how well guys are playing. My point above was not to shoot down your argument of new players/new system, but instead to illustrate that the new guys have come in and made mostly positive impact, but the problems with effort still exist with the guys who were there previously. Yes, they may not have chemistry or communication down with the two new guys yet, but they haven’t been the problem. Why shouldn’t Kyrie and KLove have made progress on that front… Read more »
Please. What will his new excuses be when his hot streak ends and he goes back in to garbage mode. He’s as streaky as they come, and he has no introspection whatsoever. There’s always a reason when he’s not playing well. Apparently it’s never his fault. The Cavs were certainly not the healthiest of organizations to help him correct that, but dude needs to be accountable for his own short comings once in a while. Never going to live up to his potential until he does.
Sigh. Am I the only sane one here? The cavs struggle without lebron. When he comes back they will go back to winning. They’ve added some nice pieces. This team will not resemble the team we will watch destroy the eastern conference playoffs.
Get lebron back. Plug in Shump mozgov and smith. And boom. And keep delly glued to the bench. He’s anwaste of a roster spot right now.
I’m not worried about how well we play with LeBron. I’m worried that this supporting cast is worse than almost every team in the league yet is about to give one of them a super-max and cripple any opportunity we have to add pieces in the future. I’m worried that our team would probably have around the same record if we just had a roster consisting of the current Philly team and LeBron. I’m worried that we traded a potential star on a rookie contract for 4 years whose best attribute addresses the current team’s worst for an overrated, stat… Read more »
Don’t you think a team with two “super-stars” should be able to beat the Kings, Pistons, and Sixers? Miami was able to win games when LeBron was out of the lineup, so why aren’t the Cavs?
No, you aren’t. Delly is not a waste, it’s just that he needs to play 10 min not 25. Speaking of PGs, why did the Cavs waive Price? They are a KI injury from playing Delly 35 mpg.
Yeah the media is really slamming Delly lately which is the most hilarious thing. Because we are to expect so much from an Undrafted player who cost very little and isn’t even close to being the worst player on the roster. We get that Delly has limitations but he’s not reason we are losing games.
Meanwhile, -6 for Delly last night. Miller: -17, Love: -21, Mozgov: -21, Irving: -18. So yeah. Methinks Delly wasn’t the problem. How about your boy Mike Miller shooting .316 from the floor and .357 from three for 3.4 points a game in 24 minutes a night in the last five games, and 1.8 assists to 1 turnover? Delly in the last five games, not much better from the floor .353, but .533 from three. 6.6 points, 5.2 assists, and only 1.8 turnovers in 29 minutes. Delly’s exactly what he’s supposed to be: A 3 and D guard. Mike Miller plays… Read more »
My lineup would be
Kyrie
Shump
Lebron
Love
Mozgov
Bench
JR Smith
TT
Marion
Ray Ray
Miller
Jones
Hah. I fell for troll bait. Good job.
Sigh, always the same refrain from you Cols. It’s like you just don’t watch the losses. So maybe you just haven’t really watched a game since LBJ went out.
Admit it. This isn’t the team you thought it would be. Not even close.
No doubt. I thought they’d be better. But this losing streak coincides with Lebron being out. I have no problem losing games when he’s gone.
I think the people who are throwing in the towel and getting all upset and gloomy are going to be singing a different tune once he comes back.
Let’s face it, a team with a healthy Lebron, Love, and Irving are still wining the East.
We aren’t winning the east. The Bulls are deep as the grand canyon. Some change needs to happen.
Lebron doesn’t lose to the Bulls. Not going to happen.
Right now we’d lose to the Bulls, Hawks, Wizards, and Raptors… And I’m not sure if we could beat the Bucks, it would at least go 7 games.
By no means throwing in the towel. But I DO have a problem with losing games when LBJ is out. Part of what was great on paper about them putting this team together this summer, and to a lesser degree addressing the holes with the two subsequent trade. These pieces together SHOULD be enough to win games against the average to below-average teams in the league, as well as be competitive with the better teams. The biggest flaw in the teams on LBJ’s first tenure were that they were completely dependent on him to succeed. If he was out of… Read more »
hopefully the effort from mozgov will wear off onto the fellow teammates —also would like to see him incorporated even more into the offense —in which draft was COUSINS in –did we or could we have possibly moved up ( by trades ) to get him — WOW HE IS A BEAST !!
We were linked with trading for him a few years back but nothing happened due to “character concerns”.
Cousins is an absolute monster. A lot of teams have tried to trade for him, but Sacramento did the smart thing (in my opinion) and didn’t trade a young head case for fifty cents on the dollar.
Cousins is a guy I’d throw a max deal at in a heartbeat. He has Hall of Fame talent.
Cavs are 7 games out of first in the Central and only 5.5 games out of last place in the division. This is at the almost halfway point of the season. Absolutely no one predicted this team would be that bad, regardless of the excuses. In order to get to 50 wins (and thus presumably a top four spot in the east), the Cavs will have to go 31 -13 the rest of the way. That is going to be a tall order with how bad the defense is. The offense has been even more troubling as of late. Whatever… Read more »
There are a lot of excuses being made for the Cavs right now, and that’s all they are. There is no excuse for the style of zero-effort play that has become acceptable in Cleveland. This holds true for roster spots #1-15. For everyone saying to relax and wait for the playoffs: the Cavs have yet to show a consistent effort in 4+ years and the second coming of LeBron James has done nothing to change that. This Cavs team has not earned the benefit of the doubt to be able to flip the switch when it comes time. Especially when… Read more »
This isn’t the Cleveland Cavaliers of even a year ago, let alone 4 years ago. Give me a break. San Antonio has 4 more Ws than Cleveland. Oklahoma City is below .500 Cleveland is dealing with all new pieces and a rookie head coach, to go along with injuries. OKC is dealing with injuries, that’s it. Again, I think it’s absurd to be in panic mode about this team right now. If 2-3 weeks after LeBron comes back we look like this and aren’t improving, I’ll agree that we should all be in panic mode. Until then, this current Cavs… Read more »
Gordon, are you in some way related to Cols? I find your excuses for this team to be increasingly baseless.
Which excuse is baseless? Chemistry being an issue for a team with new players, a new coach, and injuries? I haven’t said that the lack of effort is excusable. I said that the lack of effort can stem from frustration, especially for a team filled with players who have (1) never won in the NBA, and (2) have high expectations of winning. If injuries aren’t an excuse, then why are we freaking out that we have a better record than Oklahoma City? They are below .500. Yes, they play in the West, and yes they’ve been without Durant for more… Read more »
“But, if chemistry is completely off, a lack of effort can stem from frustration. It shouldn’t, and it can’t continue, but it isn’t the end of the world.” Psychology! (Sort of…) ‘Oh, you poor dude, you are…ummm. frustrated. Why, yes…” I’m not in a panic. Judge the Cavs from their performance the last few weeks: they suck. The Cavs are like a roommate who won’t hit the shower. The problem is obvious, the solution is clear, but, “You can’t tell me what to do.” These men are being paid millions and millions of dollars, and they honor this investment by… Read more »
I didn’t say “entirely baseless” I said “increasingly baseless” meaning that the excuses are starting to not hold the water they would have a month or so ago. An excuse is that Blatt is a rookie coach. He’s not. He’s one of the most accomplished international coaches of the last 10 years. Yes, he’s a “rookie” in the NBA, but it’s not like he’s never coached on a professional level before. Yet, he looks visibly lost out there in some situations. If injuries are an excuse, then how did this team get blown out by Atlanta, or get beat by… Read more »
Yes we lost games with LeBron playing, too. But there was no chemistry. Not the kind you develop over a full season. Also, LeBron hasn’t been 100% all season long. Should we have lost those games? No. I’m not saying it’s OK or not at all worrisome that we’ve lost games. I’m saying that there are reasons for the losses that don’t need to be a total panic, ala “Kevin Love sucks, David Blatt sucks, this team sucks.” Also, I don’t think citing to one good game from JR Smith and one good game from Mozgov as rebuttals against problems… Read more »
Well, don’t look now Gordon, but the season is 4 games from being half over. And, as stated elsewhere on this thread, I’m not panicking, I’m being realistic. The Cavs are not very good right now. Yes they most likely will be improved with LBJ back, but I was hoping for a team that could beat the bums and at least compete with the elite even without Bron. He should be the element that helps them prevail against the toughest competition, especially in the playoffs. And not the EMT who needs to rescue them from bad losses to below average… Read more »
Based purely on talent, this team will win its share of games. But these regular season games are not as meaningful – the real NBA season starts in April. We all know this. We also all know it would take time to gel on the court. This team will continue to be gelling five years from now, and that’s how a team sport is. It’s natural and part of the Process which we hate to refer to. My concern isn’t about how players who are all new to each can other execute together on the floor. It’s that they don’t… Read more »
I do agree I am a little weirded out by the fact we don’t seem to have any leaders on this team, barring LeBron. I still think LeBron has been all talk in the leadership department this season.
It might not help that LeBron was in Miami during his rehab. This is way out of left field, but maybe players don’t like the fact that he’s rehabbing in sunny Florida (and presumably visiting friends in Miami) while they are in the middle of a losing streak and getting blasted by the media.
I was probably in the 1% of people most excited by LeBron’s Essay and what it meant to Cleveland and American sports history. But he’s already wearing thin on me with some of his basketball shenanigans. As a person, I don’t know him and have nothing bad to say, but as a basketball player, the hoopla he’s brought vs. the actual returns gained by the franchise are not balancing out. It’s time he started acting like the wizened sage that he has [allegedly] become. LBJ doesn’t seem committed like he used to. I’m just not feeling the love!
It seemed a nightmare: as if Mike Brown had been brought back and it was the first game of the season for a Cavs team that hadn’t regained LBJ. . . .alternative universe stuff. Basically: about as bad an outing as the Cavs have has in the last LBJ-less seasons. Meanwhile, in this universe, in the real world that isn’t the world of the NBA, your top employees, when they stink up the enterprise and willfully suck at their jobs, get called into the boss’s office and ‘get a severe talking-to.’ Ha! Nope, in the NBA you have, for example,… Read more »
How far off are we from having a Cavs:The Blog official Cavs drinking game? I’ve already got some rules in mind if the season continues on this way.
Sounds fun, but we’d all become alcoholics. Then it would have to be Cavs: The AA Meeting
Please post it. Would make watching games more fun
I hate quoting the show Friends, but in the highly applicable words of Chandler Bing… “Dear God, this parachute is a knapsack!” I’m with DW. Not even LBJ can save this team if they’re not going to try. I keep thinking that they’re going to figure out how to share the ball on offense and trust each other on D, but they seem to be devolving rather than evolving. If they can’t stop Run DMC and Co., I don’t like their chances of bringing home a single W from this trip. The low point for me might be watching them… Read more »
Brian Austin Ween is Mike Miller. Kevin Love is Gator Arms. Well, I’m trying to come up with a knickname for him. Haven’t figured one out yet.
I just assumed since KLove kinda looks like BAG and given the propensity for people to call him a “weenus” or “weenie” this year, that Brian Austin Ween was his allotted nickname. My bad.
How about Max Payne. Or Sad Max. Or Max Factor
I do like Sad Max.
Kevin Love in: “Sad Max: Beyond Metrodome”
Well, it’s the hair, with Mike Miller. I think “Wesely” is a good name for Kevin (his middle name). But I think it’s after Wes Unseld, so maybe not. Maybe with that beard he should just be “not Moses”. (You know cause Moses kept his arms up…)
Maybe K. Wesley “Hand Down” Love. Ooh, that’s it. “Hand-me-down” Love.
I propose K. Fed. He’s living off past achievements.
Ill be at the Clipper game and I’m not looking forward to the potential massacre. Oh so much hope though when those tickets were purchased!
I agree with #11, David. Then, after playing without him for a few more games, I want LeBron to come back and try to do his dribble into 5 guys and be the hero thing. When it doesn’t work, and he turns the ball over approximately 500 times, then it can finally sink in–they need to play as a team. Right now, they are a bunch of guys who happen to wear the same colored shirts. Also, I think Blatt should get himself rung up for a few technicals. Maybe if the players feel like the coach will argue with… Read more »
Austin Daye had 22 points and 10 rebounds to lead the Spurs the other night. It’s amazing. The Spurs take players who can’t get out of their own way, and make them into productive players. The Cavs take dominant players and turning them into guys who can’t get out of their own way. A bunch of this is on Kyrie. He reverted back to “walk-it-up” basketball last night. At least Delly, despite his limitations, was trying to push it. The best ball movement of the night occurred in the fourth when Kyrie was on the bench. This team desperately needs… Read more »
I thought that with LeBron, Miller, Jones, and Matrix, we’d have a group of veteran players that would get on Kyrie’s butt for playing selfish iso ball all day long.
Where is the leadership? That might be on the head coach, like you said.
But if these guys have quit on Blatt, then that means LeBron has tuned out Blatt. That’s not a good sign.
Whenever Mike Miller shoots, I close my eyes and pretend he’s Kyle Korver. Then it clangs off the rim, and I take another sip of my beer.
Everyone needs to relax. We are missing the best player in the NBA and have just made two trades. We had an entirely new team to start the season with, and a rookie NBA head coach. Now we have injuries. LeBron and Co. have been saying this is going to be a long process. LeBron understands the limitations of the players on this team, and he understands that the only way we’re going to grow as a TEAM (including the head coach) is by going through adversity. Yeah, we’re .500 right now. We’ve also dealt with a lot of injuries.… Read more »
Also, I absolutely love Blatt saying (about Love): “He isn’t a max player yet, is he?”
That’s the kind of head coach we’ve needed for years. A guy who isn’t going to let players dictate everything.
Love isn’t playing like a max player, and maybe Blatt is motivating the guy? Maybe he didn’t mean it as a negative, and was simply speaking factually.
But I love it. I think anyone that has a problem with it should wake up. If a player is going to leave Cleveland because of a comment like that, then good riddance, he was staying anyways.
I loved it too, but he is getting crap for it, which is frankly ridiculous. It’s the kind of whiny “don’t leave us!” B.S. that empowers people to walk all over you.
Yeah, that should get him run out of town for sure. Who wouldn’t want the Mike Brown 401K Plan (coach one year and we’ll pay you for 5)?
Seriously though, it would have more teeth if they were actually competing in some of these games. Blatt doesn’t have a lot of room to talk right now given the sorry state of the way his team is reacting to him (or not reacting).
Thank you! Blatt just needs to put LBJ in his place then this team might start to fall in line.
If I hear the word process one more time…
Just because they’re missing their star player, doesn’t give them an excuse for not even looking like a team that can complete. They are getting BLOWN OUT by what should be vastly inferior teams. I get losing some games to inferior opponents, but not being in games that are over 5 minutes in.
And they are also COMPETING with the Houston Rockets and Golden State Warriors of the NBA. Those are two top notch, legitimate championship contenders. Did they go a full 4 quarters with them? Nope. But they went 3+ quarters with both. I agree they shouldn’t be getting blown out, but you can’t just ignore the fact that this is an entirely new team with new pieces and young core pieces. Also, a rookie NBA head coach. These things take time. And when your star player wasn’t playing at 100% to begin with, and is the main facilitator on your team,… Read more »
Yes, PROCESS is the key word, because the word has become a CRUTCH and an EXCUSE for far too long now. They played better in the Rockets and Warriors games, but if you watched them, there was very little to indicate they had any real chance of winning either. Even with last year’s team when Kyrie was pretty much the ONLY facilitator, they were able to compete and win some games. How is it then that with Kyrie AND KLove, they can’t seem to win one game out of 7 without LBJ. And against the basement teams of the NBA… Read more »
I watched the Pistons play Dallas last week, and, in a 25 second stretch in the fourth quarter, DJ Augustin committed two turnovers, committed a foul, and got T’ed up. Angry and frustrated, he locked in, scoring 17 points that quarter. He (and the team) had the look of: We Are Not Losing Tonight. Do any of the Cavs have this in their DNA? They don’t even get frustrated. Just bored, really.
Strange that the lowly Pistons now look like the more inspired and focused team.
It’s time for LeBron James to get healthy and return to being that guy. He hasn’t showed it yet this season. It’s time for him to stop talking about the young guys playing better, and to actually lead by example. Period.
Well I cant wait to give Love the super max contract he thinks he deserves this summer… Didn’t like the trade then – hate it now. People can whine about the depth in this team but the heat’s depth was so much worse initially and they still made the finals. I know we’ll be better when LeBron comes back and make the playoffs and who knows, maybe go far… But if you’re giving up 35% of your cap to a guy who is a sieve defensively and can’t lead a team past the D.League team currently playing in Philly then… Read more »
I still believe Love can be a decent system defender. Nobody on this team is playing good defense. Love might look to the worst of the bunch, but NOBODY is playing defense. Where is the guard defense? LeBron isn’t playing. With LeBron (hopefully playing with intensity), Shump, and Mozgov, we might have the foundation to start buying into a legitimate defensive system. Love is a bad defender, but everyone knew that when we made the deal. It’s up to the coach to figure out how to mitigate Love’s defenses woes. That means creating a system where Kevin Love’s defense doesn’t… Read more »
Agree with everything James says about overrated Love. Doesn’t matter your opinions on him, how is every Cavs not not worried about the cap implications looming this summer? Love has not played like a max deal player but everyone knows he’s going to get offered one. It’s really scary to think how hamstrung the Cavs might be 10 months from now. As much as I hate on Love for his defense, Gordon raises good points. A defen-sieve liability can be masked in a system that mitigates his effects. Right now, the issue is one defensive miscue snowballs into a team… Read more »
I just don’t see how a one-dimensional player (and actually not one of the 20 best offensive players) is gonna get a “super-max” contract!!!!