6-On-6: Free Agency Edition
2015-07-08This year’s NBA Free Agency period has been unlike any other with bags, bushels and Brinks trucks full of cash being handed out to literally anyone and everyone who can navigate a roundball. And the biggest name hasn’t even signed yet, let alone begun to negotiate his deal with his hometown team. Fortunately for the Cavs, in contrast to his two previous stints as a Free Agent, LeBron James is in full on “chill mode.” LBJ has the luxury of kicking back with his pals in the Bahamas, content to wait to see how many untold millions his Klutch Sports co-client, Tristan Thompson, can furiously pull down like so many offensive rebounds.
Still, plenty of other names, both big and small, have cashed in on the pre-cap-explosion extravaganza, and while many have been content to stay put, several others have made for greener pastures. For this supersized, “cash money” edition of 6-On-6 (in the spirit of Free Agency, why go 5-On-5 when you can get one more?), we discuss the best fits, the worst fits, just how explosive the Canadian Dynamite situation is, whether the Cavs can afford any more swish from J.R., who else they might shake out of the woodwork with CavsDan’s tree of money, and (per Nate’s suggestion) get creative on how the Haywood contract could really be used…
1) Who was the best Free Agent signing so far?
Nate Smith: We talking best Player? Value? Fit? Best player is clearly Aldridge who anchored that Portland team for years, and is a top 15 NBA player. Do I think he made a mistake going to a team with an ancient backcourt? Yes, but he’ll carry the torch, and he, Danny Green, and Kawhi will be a great core even when Duncan, Manu, and Parker retire. Best value is Kyle O’Quinn, who was buried on an awful Magic team last year. He was still in the top 25% for defensive field goal percentage at the rim, and has shown that he can be a defensive presence when motivated. He also has a nice mid-range game from 3-10 feet (49%), and a shot out to the three point line (28%). He will be perfect in the triangle. At $4 mil a year? He’s a bargain. Best Fit? DeMarre Carroll, who does everything Toronto needs, and lets Terrence Ross come off the bench.
Robert Attenweiler: Locking up Kevin Love for $110 million over five years could turn out to be a real coup for the Cavs. The Cavs will be in salary hell for the rest of LeBron James’s career, so it’s not so much that Love’s deal gives the team so much more room to maneuver. What it does, though, is two-fold: for the team, it’s addition by subtraction of any of them, including Love, having to talk about where Kevin Love might sign next year and, should Love prove more comfortable with his role in Cleveland this season, the Cavs have locked up James’s second and third options for several years on what will look like very reasonable contracts when the salary cap starts climbing.
David Wood: If we’re discussing the best overall contract (money and skill count equally), I’m going to go with the Spurs re-signing Danny Green for four years, $45 million. Green is in his sixth NBA season, but he had two scratch years in Cleveland, and has never played more than 30 minutes a game for a season. He has also played about 74 games every year with the Spurs. That’s pretty damn durable, and I’m sure that at least four of the missed games each season were Pop’s treat. Furthermore, Green has shot over 40% from 3-point land for five straight seasons. He has the mind and skills of a 28 year old, and the body of a 24 year old. I don’t know any context where that isn’t sexy. His shooting is going to age well, and if he gets old man strength, his great defense might even let him stop some of the smaller 4s in the league. Some haters might say he is a product of the “Spurs System,” but who cares? The Pistons just gave Reggie Jackson, “no one else on my team has a first step,” $80 million over five years. The Raptors gave DeMarre Carroll, “my open threes were a product of Korver’s God-like court gravity,” $15 million a year. Everyone is a product of some system. The league is messed up right now, and fortunately for the Spurs, Green got shafted.
Mallory Factor: I know the popular answer here is probably either LaMarcus or some bargain FA. But the answer should really only be one signing — Greg Monroe. LaMarcus is great, and even with the cap jump, some of these FA signings have been absurdly expensive (meaning bargains like David West, Lou Williams, Jae Crowder, and Patrick Beverly will look THAT much cheaper next year) but in reality, only a couple teams jumped serious notches due to their FA signings, and above and beyond all the rest is Milwaukee. What was once a team lacking any interior scoring, consistent motor, and post youth, now has all three. Monroe may not be a stud defender, but he’s capable, and he’s never played for a competitive team. If (and when) Milwaukee starts to slide into the upper echelon of NBA teams (and trust me, as Parker, Giannis, and Middleton progress, they will) having the steady Monroe with that trio will only make them that much formidable. Watch out, Cavs — Milwaukee’s-a-comin’. (Oh yeah, shout out to Nate’s fav — Thad Young. Dude signed a very reasonable contract. Brooklyn may have a steal on their hands).
Cory Hughey: The Spurs not only added an elite stretch big in his prime by wooing LaMarcus Aldridge, but they also castrated a conference contender in the process, and sent the Blazers to lottery land. As far as the best bargain, I’m going with Bismack Biyombo to the Raptors on a two-year, $6 million deal. Biyombo is an elite rim protector (2.9 blocks/36 minutes), and he’s going to get paid less than a fifth of what Tristan Thompson is going to sign for. He was underused in Charlotte, and should be able to soak up many of Amir Johnson’s minutes at a bargain rate.
.@Raptors Sign @bismackbiyombo0 To 2-Year, $6 Million Deal http://t.co/Q56Rj8uofv pic.twitter.com/Ck5TzZwQLC
— SLAM (@SLAMonline) July 4, 2015
EvilGenius: Though it’s kind of a cheat (and also kinda boringly brilliant) the two biggest signings also happened to be the first two made once the clock struck midnight last Wednesday morning. In the same fashion that the Cavs did last year with Kyrie, the Pelicans and Spurs respectively swooped in and solidified the future of their core superstars as quickly as possible, offering max deals to their young cornerstones. Anthony Davis and Kawhi Leonard will be fixtures for their franchises for the foreseeable future. With regard to the best signing that changed uniforms, LaMarcus will probably make the most impact in terms of influencing the balance of power in the West, but the best value is a toss up between Brandan Wright going to the Grizzlies and Kyle O’Quinn joining the Knicks. Paul Pierce might have snuck in here for me if DJ hadn’t run off with his new BFF, Chandler Parsons. Alas, The Truth will not set the Clips free… Does Doc have any more kids who can ball?
2) Who was the worst Free Agent signing so far?
Nate: Enes Kanter isn’t signed yet, but his deal reportedly starts at $15.5 million per. RPM rates him as the 60th best center in the league (one spot ahead of, ahem, Anderson Varejao). And his -3.87 DRPM is one spot behind Andrea Bargnani. Yep, Enes is the worst defensive center in the NBA. Barf. Teams seem terrified of letting guys sign offer sheets this year, and he’s the perfect example. Anyway, honorary mention has to go to the Kings who got trade-raked by Hinkie. Sacramento gave up Nik Stauskas, Carl Landry, Jason Thompson, a first round pick, and the right to swap picks in two other drafts, just to clear cap room. The Kings then got played for leverage by every free agent they tried to sign. Well, except for Rondo (one year, $9.5 million). The Kings could hire Jim Buss, and it would be a front office upgrade. Rajon, Boogie, and George Karl? How much do I have to pay for a locker room cam?
Robert: Rajon Rondo’s one-year $10 million deal with the Sacramento Kings may not be the worst (cough… Reggie Jackson… cough) but it sure is a head-scratcher. If you’re a glass half full person, you could argue that Rondo has a chance to re-establish himself on a team where he is a definite upgrade at the point guard position, and where he has a legitimate star in DeMarcus Cousins. You could argue that maybe George Karl can coax a Gary Payton-esque season from Rondo. But, Rondo has shown no indication that he can turn around his steady, post-injury decline and, unless the Kings trade for Kevin Garnett to be the team’s unquestioned dominant personality, this team seems too dysfunctional to do anything of consequence, making Rondo’s signing seem more like an empty band-aid wrapper than a band-aid.
David: Why did Stan Van Gundy sign Reggie Jackson to a contract worth $80 million? Here’s my guess. This summer Stan Van has locked himself into a dark gym with Andre Drummond. No, they aren’t working on free throw shooting, even though they should be. Stan has pumped Drummond up with Diet Pepsi and is teaching him the old white man’s game of head fakes, “my bad” arm gestures, and 3-point heaves. He decided to sign the 22nd (Brandon Jennings is 21) ranked point guard according to real plus-minus to a max contract, because he is too focused on transforming Drummond to focus on anything else. Jackson does drive to the hoop quite well though. He got 7.3 ppg doing so with Detroit. However, Tony Wroten and Ish Smith got 8.1 and 7.2 ppg on drives, respectively. How much do those two make? Wroten is getting just $2,179,354 and Ish is unsigned as of now.
Mallory: This one is a cinch — of all the eye-popping deals out there (Reggie Jackson, Draymond Green) — one stands above the rest. During the regular season, DeMarre Carroll was the perfect role starter amongst the machine that was the Hawks. A good defender, Carroll fit beautifully next to a ton of guys who could do a little (or, in some cases, a lot) of everything. Carroll is actually a pretty nice shooter, with a career percent hovering around 46. In addition, he’s a very good defender, who nobly took on LeBron during the losing cause that was the ECF. Still, and I cannot stress this enough, Carroll is NOT a borderline all-star. He shot particularly well from three last year, likely due in part to the system in which he was playing, and he’s not exactly a stud with the ball in his hands. In short, $15 million a year for a guy who, when his contract ends, will be well into the wrong side of 30, with low upside and lacking elite skills beyond systematic defense, seems like a steep price, (particularly when compared to guys like Tobias Harris, Khris Middleton, and Draymond Green, all who are much, MUCH younger than Carroll). If you’re going to splurge in this market, at least do it on a guy who can shock you in the best possible way.
Cory: I’ll keep this one short since there are six of us. Reggie Jackson is going to make more next season than Steph Curry, Tony Parker and Ty Lawson. Off of the top of my head, Jackson is probably the 18th best PG or so in the league. Who else was going to pay him close to $16 million per season, when there are seriously only like three teams with potential openings at the position.
$80 million for Reggie Jackson is $70 million more than "the other one" made in a 21-yr career http://t.co/R9jwgRZfN2 pic.twitter.com/zRkC94ysV5
— ESPN (@espn) July 6, 2015
EG: Though I cringed at a few head-scratching deals like the Cans giving Omer Asik $60M for five years, the depleted Blazers going hard after one-way player, Al-Farouq Aminu for $30M for five years, and the Pistons blowing all their cap space on the underwhelming tandem of Reggie Jackson and Aron Baynes, the worst deal (probably financially, but certainly emotionally) was the Kings’ decision to add just a bit more crazy to their nuthouse with a one year inking of Rajon Rondo. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again… this has to be straight up the biggest troll job of an owner to his soon-to-be-former head coach in the history of sports. If the NBA had a “Hard Knocks” style show (something they really should consider and entertain), the 2015-16 Kings would be the ultimate candidate to kick it off and shatter Nielsen ratings on a weekly basis. All joking aside, what possible upside exists here for Vivek Ranadive (beyond an elaborate scheme to have George Karl institutionalized)? Even on the remote off-chance that Rondo has a good year, there’s no way he’s sticking around. There’s got to be a better way to spend $10 million… right? It’s an Evil kind of hard knock life in Sacto, “Cuz…”
3) How much is Tristan Thompson really worth?
Nate: What’s any of us really worth? It’s a depressing question. I asked Google.
As of 2011, the Environmental Protection Agency set the value of a human life at $9.1 million. Meanwhile, the Food and Drug Administration put it at $7.9 million — and the Department of Transportation figure was around $6 million.
So Tristan Thompson’s demands for $15.8 million a year seem a little silly. I’m being facetious, but you can’t pay him more than Kyrie, can you? The risk the Cavs run now, is that they let him dangle, and someone signs him to a big one or two year offer sheet, and they lose his rights. So I don’t know. How about just matching Draymond Green’s contract and then letting Tristan use the @CavsDan jet three or four times a year?
Robert: One thing we’ve learned from this year’s free agency is that a player’s worth is definitely a relative thing. Is Draymond Green a better player than Thompson? I think, by most standard measures, the answer would be “yes”… but when Reggie Jackson signs a 5-year, $80 million deal with the Pistons, that kind of throws the whole “better” debate out the window, doesn’t it? In a vacuum, I’d say that Thompson is worth more than Jackson, and is in the same ballpark — if somewhat less — than Green. But, every player is worth what his value is to his team and, more importantly, what he can get. So, I have no doubt that Rich Paul is pushing for a contract that exceeds Green’s, and the Cavs don’t have much leverage in negotiations when they a.) like that player b.) their star player likes that player and c.) their star player’s agent represents that same player. Eventually, both sides with whittle down the potato’s worth of space between them to nothing and Thompson will sign… for more than anyone but Thompson, Paul and James think he’s worth.
David: I heard news that TT wasn’t going to sign a deal until Draymond Green had signed his. I’m not sure if this is true. Maybe, TT wasn’t planning on signing until all the other power forwards got overpaid, so he could ask for his over payment with less guilt. I go back and forth on TT. He is an otherworldly offensive rebounder. He grabbed 3.3 o-boards a game this season. He can switch onto pretty much anyone in the game and hold his own. However, he only scored 8.5 a game during the regular season, and has no ability to create his own shot or run the fast-break on his own. Draymond, on the other hand, can score at will sometimes, and be a facilitator. The Cavs need to decide how much they value TT’s offensive rebounding. If they think it makes up for his inability to score, then they should give him Green money. If they don’t think that, I would lock TT in a gym, and force him to hit 3s and throw precision passes to open corner guys. When he fails to execute those moves, pay him $65 mil over five years.
Mallory: This is a tough one to answer: the truth, fair market value of TT is probably somewhere around $12-14 mil a year — the apparent going rate for good young PFs (Thad Young, Tobias Harris, and Asik on the lower end, Monroe on the high). None of those guys are quite as young as TT, minus Harris, and probably don’t have his upside. Still, statistically speaking, they’ve all achieved more during the regular season, and proven, day in and day out, that they can be a force in a few different ways. That’s not to say TT isn’t valuable, because he is — the guy is a rebounding machine, a great defender inside and, surprisingly, out, and has even become passable on offense. All of those virtues are worth something in the NBA. And yet, guys like TT are probably 80% replaceable, and at 80% of what he’s apparently demanding. But, and this is the kicker, LeBron wants him around. And, sadly, LeBron holds pretty much every card imaginable here. I hate to be beholden to one player in the way that the Cavs are to LeBron, but he’s the best player in the world, and unfortunately, that’s where the Cavs are right now. (Side note — read the excellent Grantland article, posted today, about just how perfectly LeBron can hold the Cavs hostage.) Given how willing Gilbert is to spend, it’s not insane to imagine TT signing the max. And if it makes Lebron happy? It’s worth the price.
Cory: What is TT really worth? I’m against giving a big eight-figures per year if he can’t protect the rim, switch on the pick and roll, or stretch the defense. Thompson can do two of those things well. Sure Steph Curry lit him up in the Finals, but he does that to everyone. Thompson probably is worth $13-$14 million per year with the heightened cap anticipation. I assume tall Wallace from The Wire will sign a contract that matches Draymond Green’s $85 million contract, over five years. Is it overpaying? You bet. Considering max contracts are going to reach $30 million plus per season, it’s not that bad.
EG: I guess the easy answer (though probably not the one that @CavsDan wants to hear) is that TT is worth “whatever keeps him as a Cav for life, and makes LeBron happy.” When the rumors were swirling immediately following the Love deal announcement, and the numbers circulating were five years, $80M, I thought “wow, that’s a lot of cash to spend on one position.” Turns out, that would have been the Cavs getting off easy, since now it looks like TT is really asking for somewhere between “Draymond money” and “Kyrie money.” I guess they should be happy he’s not asking for “LaMarcus money” though (well at least not yet…). In a vacuum, (or on most any other team in the league) TT is probably worth about five years, $75M, which is still a pretty penny for an elite rebounder with limited offensive skills. But, on the Cavs, he’s unfortunately worth whatever keeps LBJ happy. I think he ultimately winds up signing for five years and $85M (“Draymond money”), but maybe with a player option on the fifth year and some other built in incentives. Any more than that, and he starts becoming a contender for question #2…
4) Will J.R. Smith be back?
Nate: Yes? I don’t get the sense that any other team in the league wants to deal with his goofiness. Cavs will address him after all their other free agency stuff is done. Expect two years, $14 million. Maybe a partially guaranteed third year and an extended warranty on than scooter JR rode during the Finals.
Robert: Right now, I’d still say that anything is possible in terms of J.R. Smith. I’d be no more surprised to wake up tomorrow, and see that he’s signed a three-year $21 million deal to stay with the Cavs, as I would that he agreed to take a one-year veteran minimum contract to play with the Mavericks, say. I still suspect that he’s found and will continue to find the market for him to be relatively cool, and he’ll look for the security of a longer-term deal, even if it pays him a slightly lower salary per year than the deal he just opted out of. Unlike with the Thompson negotiations, the Cavs seem to be willing to bring Smith back only at a price that makes sense to them. I think he fits on this Cavs team, though, so I think both sides — barring a trade that makes Smith redundant — agree to something that works for both sides.
David: No. Mo Williams is back, and he averaged more points than JR this past season in about the same amount of minutes. While Mo isn’t the defender JR is, I’m confident he can consistently hit the 3s Smith would get streaky on. And, if he isn’t hitting 3s, Williams is able to get to the paint. He can also run an offense, something JR never thought to do because assists don’t get counted as points.
Mallory: This is a question that I flip-flop on daily. On the one hand, JR is inconsistent, has massive lapses in judgement, and, at his worst, is downright horrible (see: the NBA Finals). And yet, he was a surprisingly consistent and steady hand for the Cavs during most of the season, and nearly all the post season. Were the Cavs capable of benching him in favor of another player during his cold streaks in the finals, they likely would have, making his shortcomings forgivable. But this is reality, and that didn’t happen. The fair price for JR is probably somewhere in the realm of $4-6 million, for 2-3 years. Will JR sign for that? Tough to say. Do the Cavs want to be locked in with JR for 3 years? Probably not. But the dude wants to get paid, and wants some financial security, and those are two things the Cavs have to be willing to meet if they’re going to remain in tandem. My final answer? Depends on the Haywood trade, but, surprisingly, I think JR re-signs.
Cory: The longer he goes unsigned, the more likely his return seems to me. Cap space is drying up across the league by the day, and with JR’s reputation, he’s probably never been on multiple teams’ free agency boards in the first place. I’d assume he resigns with the Cavs along the lines of two-years, $15 million, with a player option for the second season.
EG: I’ve had this sneaking suspicion that the writing was on the wall for JR the minute he decided against opting into the final year on his contract. There’s a reason the Cavs are kicking the tires on potential deals for guys like DeMar DeRozan, Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford. Ironically, if JR were still with the Knicks, there would have been no question of him opting into nearly $7M. Yet, given the situation, he decided to roll the crazy dice in his head. If the Cavs strike out on bringing in another three-point sharpshooter, I could see them waiting JR out and maybe even signing him for less than he would have made. But is that really a sound idea? After all, an upset JR could revert to the problem child JR, and before you can say “your shoelace is untied…” the Cavs could be treated to a nasty dose of “bad JR.”
5) What remaining Free Agent should the Cavs try to acquire?
Nate: Sonny Weems, dunker extraordinaire, who learned how to shoot while he was in Europe. Either Weems or Jamariolante “Boobie” Geegauskus, you know, for old times’ sake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDi1r4LAJ4o
Robert: I still want to see J.R. Smith return but, barring that, I guess I’m intrigued-ish by Gerald Green. He’s already played nine seasons in the league, but won’t turn 30 until January 2016. After being named the 2013-14 Most Improved Player, his numbers dipped slightly last season, but he’s a good option shooting the ball from three, and would give the Cavs some additional athleticism on the perimeter, where he could play both the two and the three. His defense has never been anything to write home about, but you could say the same thing about Smith before he came to the Cavs and made a real commitment on that end of the court.
David: I’m on the Ish Smith train these days. Did you know he attempted the most drives per game this past season (13.5), and only played 27 minutes a night? He shot 44.4% on his drives, but when a guy is trucking it to the paint every time he gets the ball, teams are bound to game plan for it. The Cavs would be his ninth team. Also, his name rhymes, which is what I’m looking for in my fifteenth man.
Mallory: It’s so hard to keep track of who’s out there right now, I can’t give an honest-to-goodness, legit response. The Cavs really only need two things at this point — a deep bench big, and a swing who can also fill in for a stretch four. The answer? Teletovic. A big, strong, surprisingly spry defender, a guy like Teletovic would fit the role into which James Jones stuck his wiry frame. Unfortunately, Teletovic (and pretty much anyone) isn’t quite the prolific shooter that Jones is. Fortunately, Teletovic (and like-minded players) is younger, faster, and capable of doing quite a bit more on the court. Still, this is a stretch — I’m (and this is a MASSIVE shocker to me) kind of okay with James Jones returning in this role. He’s a lights out shooter, was actually a half-decent defender, and is smart as a whip. And, so long as Andy and Kevin can remain on the floor, any stretch four probably won’t see the court much. As for the swing position? Lets go to question 6…
Cory: All the Cavs have to offer at this point is what remains of their mini mid-level after signing Mo Gotti and veteran minimum contracts. The Cavs do provide something for the free agency scrap heap though. If you’re an aging vet, no team in the league gives you a better shot at reaching the Finals than the Cavs. The Thunder, Warriors and Spurs have to get through one another to get there. The Cavs can also offer a high-profile spotlight for a free agent who was forgotten this year, and wants to bump up his value for next. Assuming they’ll add a wing, I would be fine with the following list in no particular order: John Jenkins, Wayne Ellington, Caron Butler, Landry Fields, Gerald Green, Chris Copeland, Jason Richardson or Tayshaun Prince.
EG: Aside from just re-signing all of their own remaining FAs (LBJ, TT, Delly and possibly JR at the right price and length), there are just a couple of guys that still intrigue me out there. KJ McDaniels could be a really interesting get (but they’re not getting him on a minimum or what’s left of their exception). If Amare has anything left in the tank, he could be a decent asset coming off the bench. While I’m not a huge Tayshaun Prince fan, he did have an upswing in his three-point stats last season, and there would be no end to the “King and Prince” jokes we could concoct. I’d still love to see the one remaining Herculoid (not on the GSW sidelines), Wayne “Duke” Ellington, return to the Cavs. And one sleeper pick to keep an eye on (in case the Cavs wind up using AV in some blockbuster trade) is Kevin Seraphim, who could provide some length and energy off the bench.
6) What could the Cavs get with Brendan Haywood’s contract?
Nate: Kevin Martin and a giant warehouse of unused NBA promotional material: Kevin Love arm slings, unclaimed Gerald Green shocker fingers, old Wally Szczerbiak Tiger Beat posters, and a Dion Waiters Cavs bobblehead that yells, “and-1!” at random points during your day.
Robert: The chance to finally get Nick Young (and the pu pu platter that is Byron Scott’s current doghouse) on the same team as J.R. Smith.
David: The Cavs should trade the Brendan Haywood contract to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Kevin Martin and Chase Budinger. The Wolves would also have to throw in once a week conference calls with Kevin Garnett. During these calls, Garnett would teach young Cavaliers how to trash talk. Young guys would learn important lessons, such as whether or not it’s more offensive to make fun of a guy’s mom or his girlfriend. Or, even his dad. Furthermore, Kevin would be required to give the Cavs an update on Anthony Bennett’s current bra size. This would be no problem for KG, since he already tracks GDB’s brassiere sizes on a dry erase board in the trainer’s office to motivate him.
Mallory: Is Jamal Crawford really that bad? Isn’t he basically just JR Smith, but better, more consistent, and more capable when handling the ball? Nate asked this question expecting some crazy answers, and yeah, I could sit here all night with the Trade Machine, searching for the hidden gem… But why would I? Crawford is a perfect fit. He’s long(ish), he can (kind of) defend (when he wants), he can (sort of) play three positions, and he can really shoot the ball (when he wants). I mean… This is our guy, right? *Looks at 14/15 stats* … Oh… Damn.
Cory: How about a subscription to Dollar Shave Club for LeBron? I’ll never go bald (it might be the only thing I have going for me at the moment), but if I was, I would probably just accept it and shave my head. I’m not a big fan of having some stranger with their hair dyed nine different colors touching my head, and I’ll spend thousands of dollars getting terrible haircuts for the rest of my life. I’m kind of jealous in a way. It appears that LeBron’s full hairline from the preseason was related to his role in the upcoming Judd Apatow flick Trainwreck. It disappeared as the season went on, then returned after the Finals, once he started plugging the premier of the film.
EG: In the spirit that was started by bringing Mo Williams back for a shot at the ring, maybe the Cavs can get the NBA to provide a special provision to divvy up pieces of the Haywood exception to an assortment of teams to bring back Drew Gooden (only if he grows the ducktail), Alonzo Gee, Ryan Hollins, Boobie Gibson, the rotting corpse of Carlos Boozer (just to be hung from the humongotron for pre-game shows) and the ghost of Jiri Welsch. Heck, they could even get an international exception to bring back Jamario Moon and Delonte from the Venezuelan Liga Profesional de Baloncesto (or wherever they are these days)… Alternately, they could just package the Haywood contract along with JR, and send them to the Kings in exchange for any sane players that want to leave the asylum before all hell breaks loose. I see you working Vivek… I see you…
@I_Am_Iman: .official. https://t.co/vy4jdN0tvR
Dave McMenamin @mcten 16m16 minutes ago
Source tells ESPN that there is no Tristan Thompson deal imminent w/ CLE just because of the LeBron agreement: “Not a package”
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http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/releases/shumpert-signing-150709
Shumpert official
Chris Sheridan @sheridanhoops 1m1 minute ago
.@BobbyMarks42 How does LeBron get from $20.644M to $22.997M? Thot biggest raise was 7.5% and in his case 105% of previous
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Its a difference of 700,000. I don’t know why, but my first thought is who the f cares? Second thought is that it is based on the Vet max for his years of service, which is a percent of the cap, which has come in higher than normal.
Chris Sheridan @sheridanhoops 16m16 minutes ago
@BobbyMarks42 Forget it, I see how. Cap went up more than 5% and 7.5%
Question, what’s the deal with signing a 2-year deal with a player option? Can he get more if he does that? We all know he’ll opt out.
It’s insurance. If something happens that seriously lowers his value (it’s hard to imagine what that would be. Maybe a major injury) he can pick up the player option and get one more big payday.
Good question. I think the CBA lasts through ’17-’18, so it doesn’t protect him from potential changes there.. Maybe it kinda helps the Cavs for cap flexibility when he opts out?
Unless he’s worried about Nerdlucks stealing his talent, i can’t imagine a situation where he’d need to opt in.
I’m sticking with the classic clip art from Word.
Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN now9 seconds ago
LeBron James had agreed to re-sign with the Cavs for one-year at $23 million plus a player option, sources told ESPN
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HE’S COMING BACK!!!!!!!!!!
Not waiting on TT there Windhorst as you tweeted last week
I’d love to see all these guy busted on that one!
Even Stormtroopers laugh at that guy’s accuracy.
In the spirit of emojis…
SIGH. Well, I tried emojis. They didn’t work. Just messed up the site. Jumped the gun w/o testing enough, but thanks for the help, DellovaYoda, Charlie E, Excl. Look for a post from Robert later.
Do we at least get paid in guinea pig crackers?
HAH. How about a free CtB subscription?
What’s an emoji?
Ask Kobe…
@AmicoHoops: Rich Paul, agent for LeBron James, tells Cavs that LeBron is ready to re-sign with team, per ESPN.
BOOM! DId Amico beat Wojo?
Actually it was Broussard of all people that broke it first.
From inside the back of Mark Cuban’s unmarked panel van…
@Chris_Broussard: CORRECTION: Sources: Cuban beside himself. Driving around downtown HOUSTON begging (thru texts) Jordan’s family 4 address to DeAndre’s home
@mcuban: .@Chris_Broussard that’s is the dumbest shit Ive ever heard. If you had any ethics u would msg me and I will give u his address
Broussard with his sauces again. What a clown!
@Chris_Broussard: @mcuban if you had the address last night, you would’ve gone to the house. I stand by my multiple sources who had u calling & texting them
LOL. Cuban may have been texting people for DJ to get in touch, but a billionaire in his position had about a thousand ways to get his address – the simplest being to ask his agent, a well known Cuban pal, if that was any easier than looking it up himself in whatever virtual address book he keeps on him. Broussard at his worst.
@Chris_Broussard: @mcuban you didn’t fly to Houston to text all night, did you?
Emoji battle between Broussard and Cuban in 3…2….
http://andrewgelman.com/2015/07/09/hey-guess-what-there-really-is-a-hot-hand/
This is not Free-Agent related, but a good article for statistic nerds (not NBA stats, but actual statistics).
Turns out there is statistical proof that a player’s “hot hand” does in fact affect his shooting percentage upwards.
WHen will this be OVER? The whole TT drama is annoying. When is the last day when free agents can sign? Has to be an end in sight somewhere? Did JR drop off the face of the earth? He hasn’t been public anywhere for awhile.
As far as I know, there is no last day. However today is the *first* day they can sign.
I guess technically the days leading into Playoffs.
Yes I know this is the 1st day to sign. I was remembering last year it seem like a lot of agents were signed and inked mid July, a few small contracts end of July. One year Cavs dragged Alonzo’s contract to Sept.
Well… he DID tweet that partially eaten donut… WITH a donut emoji yesterday…
What?? LoL Okay that’s random. I didn’t see that
https://twitter.com/RealTristan13/status/618922495870042112
You guys know that the donut is from his favorite Canadian donut shop, right? He often mentions the donut place whenever he travels back home. It doesn’t really have any symbolic value beyond that.
Yeah… I know. I posted it when it first came out and joked that the media would probably read volumes into it. So that was kind of the point…
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-love-players-pov-chase-what-you-love/
There you go guys, first one to ink it is K-LOVE!
Really nice article and interview, nice to hear him say he choose happiness so we don’t have to hear oh KLove ain’t hsppi in Cleveland etc.just can’t wait for the season to start
Ellington is a Net.
Robert Littal @BSO 3m3 minutes ago
Nets Agree To Deal With Wayne Ellington http://bit.ly/1fqvrzT via @thacover2
Now Ellington, on the other hand, is a guy I would have liked to have back…
Yeah, I was hoping they would get him as well….
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I miss him.
So all DAJ kidding aside shouldn’t we be seeing some official signing announcements?
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 2m2 minutes ago
Free agent forward Gerald Green has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the Miami Heat, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
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That’s a real solid signing ,I think he would have been good here
Ken Berger: Gerald Green’s 1-year deal with Miami is for the minimum, source says. Green had been a target of Dallas before DeAndre Jordan backed out. – via Twitter KBergCBS
We really could have picked him up for this cheap to back up Lebron, sigh
Not losing sleep over not having Gerald Green as the 12th man off the bench…
Having fun with headlines:
Err Jordan leads to Cuban Missed-out Crisis.
Mavs Get Goosed as Top Gun Jordan Cruises Back to LA
Jordan Turns Mavs into Mav-Nots
DeAndre Gives Mavs Cold Duck Instead of Champagne
Jordan to Mavs: Err Today, Gone Tomorrow
Clippers Screen Leads to Jordan Flagrant One On Cuban, Mavs
Well done! Good stuff!
Jordan Doesn’t Follow Suit: Reneges on Mavs Deal.
Mavs are “Biggest Loser” After Losing 265 lb Center.
Deandre Jordan Shows True Colors; Neither Cuban nor Phil Collins Impressed.
Yes, after doing some math, going off California’s state tax schedule (which is bracketed in a similar way as federal income tax) I’m seeing that an 88million 4yr contract would be 22million a year. His effective tax rate of about 12.2% will show 2,692,081, or total earnings net of taxes around $19.308 mill/year, or less than 20mill in Dallas.
Either he has bad accountants or it wasn’t the $.
I believe you pay based on where you play. So you’re only really half is getting taxed at the higher rate. Probably not enough to make up the difference, but the 5th year player option in LA has to tip the scales quite a bit too.
I would hope all these players are paying no attention to the gross money figures being thrown around and relying on accountants/agents for that end. I wouldn’t trust most people with 4 year degrees to understand some of the money issues, much less players who probably haven’t ever taken serious business or math class.
The fifth year is not in play, from what I understand it was a 4 year, with a player option for 4th year, so the extra year that COULD be offered wasn’t signed. I didn’t know about the “where you play” part of it. So I guess half of 2.7 mill would be 1.35 mill, giving the edge to LA (Clipps would have played a few games there anyway, so just half for easy math). Pretty even I guess. I think the LAC is a better option for him anyway, just hate how he agreed first and then went back… Read more »
Taxes are weird. You get billed by a different state for every game you play in. That’s my understanding.
That is correct. You get paid per game, and pay state tax of the state you play the game in. Half games in home state, half at other state’s respective rates.
So wasn’t Deandre signing with Dallas for 4yrs 80million? Now 4 years 88 with Clips. With no state tax in Texas, is he actually not getting any extra net of taxes? Thought reports said he didn’t want to leave $20 mill on table. Guess it wasn’t the money (unless California has no state tax, but thought it did).
Sounds like Boozer and the Cavs, minus Twitter.
This should start everyone’s morning right with some laughs :D
http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/2015/07/09/best-reactions-to-deandre-jordan-re-signing-with-l-a-clippers/13142/
Luis Scola: We the north… Here I come :)
Adrian Wojnarowski: Free agent Luis Scola is finalizing a one-year, nearly $3M deal with the Toronto Raptors, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
JAMAL CRAWFORD: The TRUE character of a person isn’t how they treat people that can help them, but how they treat others that can’t…….
If a man doesn’t have his word, what does he have?
Forget what DAJ just did to the Mavs, it’s ridiculous how the Clips had to stay with him for 8 hours just so he wouldn’t reach out to Cuban and Parsons and change his mind again. How does that fair well for trust within a professional relationship with someone you will see everyday, how does that contribute to a positive dynamic between DAJ and the Clips?
What a joke.
According to Marc Stein, sources say San Antonio will acquire G Ray McCallum from the Kings for a future second-round pick. McCallum would replace Cory Joseph, who will be joining the Raptors next season.
I’m sorry, these are funny
https://twitter.com/jga41agher/status/618943785368588288/photo/1
https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/618954188458954753/photo/1
Basically Mark Cuban got fined $25,000 for nothing …SMH
I hope the Cavs don’t get ‘honeydicked’!
That just crossed my mind. Just feel bad for the whole Mavs organization, wouldnt of liked if any of our free agents did that like Klove
DJ is gonna get some hate next season. I can see it now. The Mavs will enact hack-a-Jordan for the entire game.
Cuban might throw a Max deal at Delly… just so he can order him to take out DeAndre’s knees…
To the highest degree. I’m thinking that first game between the teams will be must watch tv, especially if Mavs are home.
I didnt expect this coming at all, feel bad for the Mavs, Cuban and Chandler. Cuban spoke so highly of Jordan as his new franchise player etc. Just crazyyyyy especially how it unfolded
Chris Paul IG: “Believe only half of what you see, and nothing that you hear” -Edgar Allan Poe
Paul Pierce Tweets Picture of Doc and Deandre Signing: That’s why they brought me here lol
https://twitter.com/paulpierce34/status/618997675979988993/photo/1
Such childlsh behavior, NBA is filled with boys pretending to be men. Just embarrassing.
Changing your mind after giving your word is bad enough. But really your going to barricade yourself in your house and not talk to the people your leaving high and dry.
Kind of awful, but kind of an awesome move. DAJ realized he’d been honeydicked.
Honeydicked????
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Honey+Dick
No, I don’t think that is what happened, At no point was he duped into anything.
It seems he realized he was not capable of taking on the challenge of going to Dallas. He realized he is not capable of carrying a team. He realized how easy CP3 and Blake made his life on the court.
Nothing wrong with realizing this. Everything wrong with the way he treated Cuban and the Mavs.
Then, after he realized he’d been honeydicked… he turned around and “AndyDicked” Mark Cuban…
“AndyDicked” when you get publicly humiliated by an unpredictable insane person…
This took far FAR too long
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/618991258959257600
Well done, Nate! I especially like Haywood’s. :D
Sooooooo good though! I wish we could use emojis on the thread… I tried, but failed miserably
Ben Bolch: League executive confirms DeAndre Jordan to the Clippers is a done deal. Just waiting until 9:01 p.m. PDT.
Ramona Shelburne: Oh, and DJ and his family are scheduled to leave on a 10-day cruise tomorrow – via ramonashelburne
Smart move to go on that cruise LMAO
Also my sources are saying that Gilbert has been contacted to help with the Comic sans coming tonight
So is Dirk now on the Table for the BHC
Kinda serious, The Mavs lose their pick if they finish outside the bottom 8.
Or would we rather have Parsons or Johnson?
I’ll be just happy if Cubes doesn’t rage-offer TT a max deal at this point…
Yeah, I had the same thought. I think they will just tank now, though, even if TT’s agent tries to use them as some sort of leverage. It’s a bit complicated for the Mavs – I think it’s Carlisle’s last year under contract, and he apparently isn’t interested in tanking, and could just quit. And then you have Dirk… I really feel bad for Mavs fans. Not getting DJ is one thing, losing him after all the other big targets are gone is brutal. DJ is going to take a lot of abuse for this, justifiably so.
I think Parsons could be a good pick up, but I don’t see it happening. Good break, shooter, plays the three. Could work with LeBron, and help generate offense when LeBron is out.
Again, not happening, but fun!
I was kind of hoping it would go the other way and we would get Reddick.
And Mark Cuban is probably like this tonight…
This weekend, DeAndre must have been like…
Guess it was worth it for CP3 to return early from his banana boat world tour.
The Glide with some shade!
Now being reported that this was NOT in fact Clyde Drexler who sent this tweet…
I bet Lebron told CP3 when they were in Bahamas to go in and churn up all this drama. No one knows drama like the King.
Freaking Genius!
Blake Griffin is hilarious
That 2nd one sounds like a typical Broussard air biscuit twert. I though Cuban was in Houston, and I’m pretty sure he knows DJ’s address. Broussard is the best.
Cuban’s brother went off on Broussard on Twitter.
Broussard maybe partook of too many of his sauces last night…
Poor Luke Ridnour. No Vince Carter (half man/half amazing). No JR(pipe). No DJ(flip flop). No Pierce (stab face). No Anthony Bennet (gumdrop). No Dion (+1).
And Shawn Kemp is the Reign Man, not Rain Man.
Okay… YOU come up with an emoji for that then… ;)
DJ is coming off as incredibly childish in this. If he changed his mind, he should have manned up and told the Mavs. Blake Griffin just tweeted a pic of a chair barring the door. It figures that the Clippers are in the middle of a circus like this.
Dan Labbe… stealing my jokes…
Shocked it took this long for a response… and that it was this weak…
So Blake Griffin isn’t just funny when someone is writing commercials for him…
Poor Cubes… AND he got fined $25K to boot!