The Point Four-ward: Let’s Give ‘Em B-ball to Talk About…
2015-10-07Four points I’m thinking as the Cleveland Cavaliers kick off their 2015 preseason schedule this week…
1.) I don’t expect much clarity this week about what this team might look like sans Tristan Thompson for (should it come to it) the long term. Kevin Love still hasn’t been cleared to fully participate in practice and Timofey Mozgov is, according to Blatt, only at 60% of his necessary conditioning following off-season knee surgery. Also, while Anderson Varejao has been drawing the expected encouraging reviews following his return from a December 2014 achilles tear, the team plans to let him get his legs back slowly.
In Monday’s Wine and Gold Scrimmage, the Wine team tipped off with what will probably be David Blatt’s starting line-up until Love is ready to return: Mo Williams, J.R. Smith, LeBron James, James Jones and Mozgov.
With Thompson still holding out and Love, Mozgov and Varejao all limited to some extent, expect to see a lot of Sasha Kaun this preseason. Blatt, who coached Kaun on the Russian National Team, has been playing the 6-10 former Kansas Jayhawk at both center and power forward, and Kaun has already showed two qualities that tend to endear a big man to James: great hands and a high-energy, defensive mindset.
Kaun scored eight points and grabbed six rebounds in Monday’s scrimmage.
2.) Another thing to keep an eye on during the preseason: which, if any, of the team’s camp invitees will take advantage of the injuries to the Cavs back court. With both of the team’s expected starters — Kyrie Irving (knee) and Iman Shumpert (wrist) — out with injury, there could be an opening for the likes of Quinn Cook, the 6-2 undrafted rookie from Duke, 6-4 Jared Cunningham or the 6-5 athletic bundle that is D.J. Stephens.
Cunningham and Stephens both threw down some nice dunks in the scrimmage, showing their athletic ability is as advertised. As Mike mentioned in his scrimmage recap, though, it’s difficult to see the Cavs going with Cunningham, due to his poor outside shooting, and Stephens must continue to show that he is a basketball player, not just a draft combine wonder.
Cook impressed by playing under control and running the team effectively on his way to 13 points. But, even with Irving out for an unspecified amount of time, does the team really need to carry a third point guard when they have both Williams and Matthew Dellavedova capable of filling that role?
It will also be interesting to see how Austin Daye plays during the preseason. Daye is a six-year veteran and, at 6-11, has legit three point range. He’s also thin as a blade of grass, and was waived by the Spurs last January, less than a year after acquiring him, prompting SB Nation Spurs writer Jesus Gomez to opine, “This year has left no doubt that Daye is not suited to be a rotation player on a good team.”
3.) The Cavs’ first preseason game, a rematch against last season’s Eastern Conference Finals opponent, the Atlanta Hawks will take place tonight in Cincinnati. The Hawks, much like the Cavs, will be easing some key contributors back into action.
Their presumptive starting small forward, Thabo Sefolosha, is still recovering from a leg injury sustained in an incident with the police outside a New York City night club, during which Sefolosha was charged with resisting arrest. With his injury — and with the trial contesting those charges kicking off in Manhattan this week — it’s unlikely Sefolosha will be ready to go to start the season.
Likewise, Hawks guards Kyle Korver and Shelvin Mack have also been cleared to resume basketball activities, though cleared to “differing degrees.” This makes it sound unlikely that Wednesday will see Korver sharing the court with Matthew Dellavedova for the first time since Dellavedova injured Korver while diving for a loose ball in Game 2 of last season’s Eastern Conference Finals.
Al Horford, who got ejected from Game 3 of that series after putting a little extra mustard on the end of a tie-up with Dellavedova, is expected to play, though, meaning that the “Delly Villain Watch” will get almost less rest this off-season than the Cavs’ players.
4.) Meanwhile, the Cavs’ opponent on Thursday night, the Philadelphia 76ers, are looking forward to another down season — and that’s by design. When looking at the Sixers, the question is less whether or not this will be another losing season, than will this be the losing season when the tank-think Sixers will start to show glimpses of the competitive team they keep telling their fans they will be one day. Their long game of draft-and-rehab hit its first significant hitch this off-season with the news that Joel Embiid, the third overall pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, is expected to miss his second consecutive season after needing more surgery on his injured right foot.
Even with Embiid’s injury, it’s the Sixers’ front court that bears watching the most, as they’ve paired the defensive-minded Nerlens Noel with rookie center Jahlil Okafor, the most offensively polished and NBA-ready big man in last June’s draft. With the rest of the Sixers’ starting five, guards Isaiah Canaan and Robert Covington, and forward JaKarr Sampson, not exactly striking fear in the hearts of opponents, Sixers coach Brett Brown will have to be able to squeeze the type of hustling, high-energy play that made his team a tougher out than expected most of last season. While common NBA sense says that it’s difficult to squeeze maximum effort out of young players season after season before the losing takes a toll… that’s exactly what Brown plans to do.
“I think the culture is trumping the talent right now,” Brown says, putting a positive spin on his team as camp breaks. He’d better hope that continues or it could be another long season for basketball fans in Philadelphia.
Welcome back to NBA (preseason) basketball, everyone. LeBron James can wish for more time off this off-season if he wants, but I think I speak for all of us here at Cavs: the Blog when I say that the 2015-16 NBA season can’t get here fast enough.
Pre-season Live Thread is up…
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-mlb-playoffs-most-exciting-players-clayton-kershaw-lorenzo-cain-carlos-correa/
I’m posting this for one reason and one reason only. He says this about Josh Donaldson: “[H]e flings himself around the diamond like a basketball player who figures that if he dives for every loose ball, people will forget that he’s slow andown can’t shoot,” and illustrates it with a play against the Indians. Whether an intentional reference to Delly or not, the truth of that should be especially funny to those of us who root for him to succeed.
THE QUEST HAS BEGUN !!!——-ALL IN —THE LAND !!
Not sure how I feel about this new TNT ad…
This is the greatest picture in the history of Cavs fandom. Final Fantasy: Cavs.
Yeah I kinda like the ad. Is that gonna be the media’s spin on us the whole season, the Cavs questing to end the Cleveland title drought? Cuz THAT one never gets old…
That isn’t spin, that’s the fact. And we the fans should embrace it. And I hope the Cavs embrace it. One season to rule them all.
Cleveland sucks at winning titles. It annoys fans that the media points this out, but it’s the truth. 1948 was a long long time ago.
Does Mallory still write here?
I’m curious on his take on the new Chvrches album.
Wasn’t nearly as good as the new Fratellis album.
The new Silversun Pickups struck me as better on first listen as well.
Dig the Silversun Pickups as well…
The Silversun Pickups are not good.
I liked this album more than Neck of the Woods. I’ve kind of had a soft spot for them since seeing them play Silverlake Lounge about a decade ago…
OK, I’ll give it a whirl.
Some great new Love quotes about the past and future in today’s McMenamin article…
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13819116/kevin-love-ready-more-just-third-wheel
That’s great. Even without Irving they can go 15-5 or 17-3 in the first part of the season if Love is back.
THE QUESTION FOR THE DAY—-CAN DELLY THROW IT DOWN —LIKE TO SEE A NEH/ YEH COUNT FROM THE CTB BROTHERHOOD–I SAY YEH ” DELLY THOWS THE HAMMER DOWN —–COOK VS DAYE —THESE PRE SEASON GAMES ARE GOING TO BE VITAL TO BOTH AS FAR AS WHO STAYS–I LIKE COOK’S GAME ( ALTHOUGH SOMEWHAT CONCERNED WITH HIS ATHLETICISM )—GIVE DAYE A SLIGHT EDGE DUE TO HIS PRIOR NBA EXPERIENCE / OUTSIDE SHOOTING AND OVERALL GAME ( REMINDS ME OF LIVINGSTON ) CAN POSSIBLY PLAY 3 POSITIONS
He probably can’t “throw the hammer down” but he has dunked in a game according to the man himself…
“My first dunk … in a game was, like, a a tip-jam. It was in the nationals, top-age, and we were playing against South Australia. And the ball sat up there just perfect and I got the jam. So I was pretty happy about that. I was pretty old – I was like 18 or 19.”
You can read the whole article here…
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/features/growingup-delly-131011
That was probably 60 lbs ago, though.
Here’s a question I thought of while thinking about who will start/play more between Mo and Delly:
With this Cavs team, is it theoretically easier to hide Mo on defense or Delly on offense? Because both are pretty one-sided players. I’m talking strictly at PG because I could see lineups playing Mo and Delly at the 1 and 2 positions, respectively.
Depends who they are playing, but the problem with Delly in the Finals last year was the Warrirors did not have to guard him at all. So Curry could do nothing on defense and save up all his energy on offense.
Maybe they can tie them back to back and list them as one player MoDevaWillDa who can alternate offense and defense…
The Sixers really interest me because having a proper culture in place migh pay huge dividends in the future. I could see them winning 35 games in two years while having a top ten defense with a go to center on the offensive end. If they can do that, free agents will look their way for sure. That team is set up to support a bonafide superstar if all breaks right.
They’ve won 35, 34, 19, 18 games the last four seasons. If they take two more years to just get back to 35 wins that would be 6 really awful seasons in a row. They have no idea what they are doing. But they’ve managed to dupe enough people into thinking they know what they are doing by using all the correct buzzwords that analytical basketball people love.
In reality, all they are trying to do is what every other NBA team tries to do , get a super star.
As long as they haven’t duped you. I get the feeling you’re too smart to fall for those tricks. Just like you are too smart to believe the hype of resting aging stars on occasion during the regular season doesn’t make a difference in the playoffs.
Silly Popovich, Trix are for kids! If I’m reading your comments right I think the preferred method is to play them until they break and then accuse them of being fat and out of shape. That way you can outsmart everyone and be right no matter what ends up happening.
My main concern with preaching the culture while not attempting to field talent on the court is that losing tends to win out over culture. If they keep losing for another couple years, I’m not sure it will matter how well Brett Brown has this team understanding what they need to do to properly hydrate. (one of his points from the article)
You are right, David, but I really hope it doesn’t work out for them for the simple reason that the smug “trust the process” is the most annoying meme in recent memory. Hope it doesn’t work out for them.
I mean, it already hasn’t worked for them. They suck, they will suck until they find a superstar.
I hope their ‘process’ doesn’t net them a superstar. #teamhinkie #trusttheprocess #lovehinkie #hinkiehavemybabiesplz
Eventually they will get a superstar just like any other NBA team does eventually. But they’ve sucked for so long that their vaunted process didn’t speed up or help the team get better in any way.
Interesting conversations on the Lowe-post
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-lowe-post-podcast-brian-windhorst-on-the-tristan-thompson-contract-situation-the-hawks-ownership-scandal-and-more/
The TT conjecture in that cast is annoying, but the Hawks situation is fascinating…
I really don’t like Windhorst, I don’t think he knows as much as he likes to make people think. He always has this, “I know more than your front office” kind of tone when he speaks.
He also likes to talk about “what will the fans say if they start 2-5”. Speaking AS a fan, I really would be pretty ok if we started 2-5. The season is 82 games long and the FANS seem pretty unanimous (minus Cols) that Tristan isn’t worth that money, even with that record.
Agree, that was stupid. Windhorst is okay, but he’s always doing the tittering like two high school girls in the hallway between classes thing, at least when he’s talking about anything James related. He should just report and drop the gossip.
I find it interesting that just because someone was cut by the Spurs it means he’s hopeless. Remember, Danny Green was cut by the Spurs too. How many teams was Patty Mills cut by before he latched on with the Spurs? Austin Daye should be judged on what he can bring to the table now and not necessarily in the past; perhaps his experiences have made him mentally tougher and hungrier. I think he can play three positions and seems stronger than I’ve seen him in the past. Flexibility is a good commodity to have on the deep bench.
I agree, not that Daye can play but that the Spurs screw up all the time and are not infallible. Popovich screwed them last year by resting too much so they had to play the Clippers in the 1st round.
Now they are too old to do anything in the playoffs, their desperate foray into aging big men in FA is not a good sign.
Good point about the Spurs players resting too much. Seeding is important, especially in a tough conference.
Hence, while I want the Cavs to smartly rest a beat-up roster, I also wanna see them push for 60+ wins…
They were one game from being the #2 seed with all their rest. Can you imagine how tired and out of shape they’d have been accused of being if they played 40 minutes a night all the way to the playoffs and had nothing left in the tank? Not only that but when they rest the big 3, they’re still competitive so it doesn’t hurt them as much as it would a team like the Cavs. They’ve been resting for a while now and have 2 finals appearances, one championship, one ray allen 3 away from another championship (ray allen… Read more »
Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but if Popp had rested the starters just a little bit less, the Spurs could have been a clear number 2. I think we can at least agree that he miscalculated. The Spurs should have locked it down, not just put themselves in the hunt with everyone else.
But Green was re-signed by the Spurs, where he eventually excelled. And Mills caught on with the Spurs, where he has excelled. I heard the “if he can’t make it on the Spurs” take going around and had to admit it was lurking in the back of my mind too. Not that the Spurs are infallible, but they do have a pretty unmatched track record in player development. Is there a player out there who was cut by the Spurs (not to be re-signed by them later) and went on to break out with a different club?
Corey Joseph (although he wasn’t cut by the Spurs, but wasn’t resigned) has a chance to break out with the Raps…
Er, probably the Patty Mills answer is technically zero. Sorry to blow your story, Nate. He was a late second rounder of Portland’s, played a little there and then after two years was out of contract with them when the lockout occurred. As an unemployed basketballer who had only had a (relatively) small contract so far in his career he then went to China to play, as there was no NBA happening, and cut stuck in a mess there when he was injured and was then picked up by the Spurs. All the same it took until his 5th year… Read more »
The funniest thing about the Sixers is that they’ve done nothing differently from every other team in the NBA. I can’t believe their fans bought into the crap they were sold. Just an awful team until they find a star, like every freaking otehr NBA team.
Sam Hinkie would disagree…
Good writeup Robert. I’d like the Cavs to carry a young 3rd point who is more of a distributor. Delly is a great player but I just don’t think he is quite there yet. From what I hear from the Aussy games, he is getting better(also horribly out of shape, thank goodness). Mo is definitely there but at his age it’d be nice not to force him into big minutes out of the gate. I assume TT is coming back at some point so I don’t feel another forward/center is warranted from one of the camp spots. I get that… Read more »
What’s with this Delly being out of shape meme?
The evidence is that he played one whole game in the Finals and was basically useless after it. Hopefully he got in better shape this offseason so it doesn’t matter anymore. If he was in shape for the Finals, it’s possible we would’ve seen game 7.
Do you really believe that Delly, a professional athlete, was “out of shape”? Or are you just repeating this because you know people around here actually like Delly and it’s just you who doesn’t?
No amount of conditioning can help prevent/recover from that kind of severe dehydration with less than 48 hours to get back on the court… It’s just medical science. Even LeBron gets cramps. You’re the only fan here who is so negative about members of the team we all root for and I just don’t get why.
I root for all Cavs. Put on a Cavs jersey and you’ve got my support. Delly was useful last year in the playoffs after the Cavs got injured. I just push back against the notion that he’s actually good. People praise him like he had a great Finals but he was terrible for the most part and after his one decent game he couldn’t play anymore because he was out of shape. If we had a better backup PG we would’ve been much better. That’s why signing Mo was so important. We needed someone who could initiate the offense and… Read more »
Ok, glad to clear that up, re: fan support. I agree, Mo was a great and necessary signing to pair with Delly — we need one guy for each end of the floor because they are both very one-sided players at this point in their careers. In the Finals, we defended at a sufficient level but needed that extra scoring punch that Mo could’ve provided. No one will confuse Delly with a great player but he’s still pretty good. His game ain’t pretty but he was arguably the second most valuable Cav in the Finals — at least certainly in… Read more »
I wasn’t asking you, I was asking DaveR. I’ve heard your opinion 1000 times.
He’s been eating too many of these…
I’d eat that. Has anyone had one of those?
Delly actually looked like he lost some weight this off season. I’m not too sure you can call him out of shape either considering he chased Curry around and sprinted the call up the court to I’ve the King some rest the night he requires an IV.
Delly has had a few hundred of them.
typo, meant NOT out of shape. But I guess that spurred a firestorm!