Recap: Pacers 107, Cavs 85 (or, the preseason, it ain’t nothin’ but the blues)
2015-10-16I felt impending dread having to recap the 76ers game last week, and it turned out to be shockingly entertaining. My stay of execution was extinguished last night, and my fear of uncoordinated, meaningless basketball was fully realized. If you DVRed the game, and don’t have children, delete it immediately. Pick up that guitar that’s been buried in your closet for years, and teach yourself a few chords. If you do have children, save the game, and in lieu of giving your kiddo a timeout, or confiscating their cell phone, or whatever the modern day punishment for a sapling is, make them watch this game. It will be a threat to hold in your back pocket at all times. You won’t even have to count to two as a warning.
The Pacers went through a reboot in the offseason with the subtraction of longtime mainstays David West and Roy Hibbert. The addition of Monte Ellis gives them the secondary scorer they’ve been craving for years. Frank Vogel is still running the show, and he still looks like an assistant manager at a RadioShack. His days of plotting to plod and ground teams into submission are gone. This incarnation of the Pacers wants to run the floor and stretch the defense with Paul George at the four. They struggled from downtown, but outplayed the Cavs in every other facet of the game.
LeBron sat this one out, and I’d honestly be fine with him taking the rest of the preseason off, as long as I don’t recap the game. Every minute off the court now will help him in June, and that’s all that really matters. Kevin Love warmed up on the court before the game, and it appears the target date for him to make his preseason debut will be Sunday against Gum Drop Bear and the Raptors of Toronto.
YAY
- Like a child of divorce, Cavs fans got two Christmases this year, and they shared the court in the game’s closing minutes. My DVR thankfully stopped just after Dionte drilled a three through contact. I was relieved that I didn’t have to watch the final minute of the game, but in a strange way I wanted to see if he could covert the four point play in an act of self mutilation.
- J.R. Smith and Andy had some serious chemistry on the court together. Their pick and pops were effective, and hopefully a preview of them becoming the foundation of the reincarnation of The Herculoids.
- In relation to the previous bullet, we must be in a manic episode of J.R. Two days ago, he bought air sugar from the bench, and tonight he rang up 10 points on eight shots, and dished out five assists, including a gorgeous behind the back pass to Andy. J.R. was also the only Cavalier with a positive plus/minus who played more than 10 minutes. He delivered the runner-up for Cavs’ play of the night, breaking Paul George’s ankles on a behind the back crossover late in the third quarter.
Jr Smith dropped Paul George with behind the back dribble pic.twitter.com/Yq5ohYht90
— Gifdsports (@gifdsports) October 16, 2015
- The capo di tutti capi (boss of bosses) play of the night goes to Mo Gotti for summoning the Kraken with
LeBron Jamessurprisingly spry Richard Jefferson. Jefferson had a nice game offensively, putting up 14 points, including a pair of triples.
- Anderson Varejao continued his efficient offensive preseason play. There were times where it looked like he was giving the ball a cranium crush in the post, but he still managed to put it in the hole.
- Jared Cunningham is a lock for the team. His first step is devastating, and as EvilGenius mentioned on our email chain, he can run the point, as shown by his game high eight assists.
- Paul George is back, and that’s a plus for hoops heads everywhere. I disagree with Austin Carr that George is where he was before the injury athletically. Sasha Kaun rejected him at the rim by going vertical, and two years ago George would gone Carter/Weis on him. Either way, it’s nice to see that he’s healthy, and he might be a more cerebral player than he was before the injury.
BOO
- If you just glanced over the box score, you’d think that Moz had a great game, and he did in the post offensively. Off the ball, he just set random picks on the perimeter like a guy in pick up game who doesn’t know what to do. It’s the basketball equivalent of not knowing what to do with your hands while acting. Moz was absolutely abused on defense by Ian Mahinmi and Myles Turner. My “are you kidding me” moment came when Timo bit on a lazy Mahinmi shot fake, which led to a pair of free throws. Mahinmi looked like Rich Paul’s version of Tristan Thompson. Turner was impressive with a hard rejection on a Dionte Christmas layup, and his ability to stretch the floor. The pair combined for 27 points on just 16 shots.
- As nice as it is seeing chemistry grow between guys, they are still unfamiliar with one another’s tendencies. Passes were often mistimed. The Cavs had a ridiculous 22 turnovers in the first 37 minutes of the game.
- Monte Ellis had his way with the Cavs’ backcourt, no matter who was guarding him.
- C.J. Miles couldn’t find his shot in his old stomping grounds. It’s strange to root for a player on the opposition, but of all of the former Cavs during the dark ages, he’s probably the one that I’d like to have back the most.
- I don’t like the Cavs’ court design. I’ve held that in for awhile. I get the Cleveland pride thing with the skyline and all that jazz, but I’m a blues kind of guy. I like simplicity. There’s just too much going on with the floor like a metal band with three guitars. They drown one another out. Less is more. It’s cleaner.
Good news! Tristan’s mom might be stepping in:
http://factoryofsadness.co/2015/10/16/how-tristan-thompsons-mom-could-end-her-sons-holdout-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Around%20the%20Network
I’d like to see her grab him by the ear and whack him a couple, and then go after RP with an umbrella!
HAHAHA… this is a pretty funny article! Very interesting comments from Sam Amico. Generally speaking, the agent is the focal point. Had RP not been TT’s agent, he’d be gone and TT would’ve fired him. TT’s mom blames RP for the contract negotiations. Very interesting…
Thats right, Mama T. Put your foot down and get your boy out on that court! Hes losing money, respect, and above all risking his consecutive game streak ;)
TT can save face with a short term contract. Go with the old original Cavs deal $14M/per. And everyone can act like that was the original 5/80.
EVIL AND SEVERAL BLOGGERS MENTIONED THE OTHER DAY THE ONLY WAY FOR PAUL TO SAVE FACE ( AND GRACE WITH T.T. ) IS TO ATTEMPT TO GET AN INCENTIVE LADEN CONTRACT —6TH MAN OF THE YEAR/ $ 5 MILLION BONUS / 75 % FOUL SHOOTER / 2 MILLION BONUS ETC . —-GOOD LUCK WITH THAT
CLF THANK YOU FOR THE 538 .COM HOOK UP / MORE INTERESTED IN THE CHALOTTE McKiINNEY AD (WOW !!! THAT WILL KEEP YOU WARM IN NOPRTHERN OHIO THIS WINTER ) THAN THE T.T. ARTCLE
You’re welcome, NOMAD!!! LOL @ the rest of your comment HAHA!
According to Neil Paine’s statistical analysis TT is worth 7.5 million LESS THAN HALF of what he was seeking!!! HAHAHAHA!!!
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/tristan-thompson-isnt-worth-anywhere-near-94-million/
Also interesting, TT was compared to Kenneth Faried and Ed Davis in their statistical analysis. I’ll re-post the article in the TT article.
TT is so screwed. 5yr/80mil is now reportedly off the table.
No kidding… if 538 can figure this stuff out, no doubt that Cleveland has had all of this information and more…
I have always maintained that 5/80 was absurd. I can’t believe Cleveland even offered that… and even more TT felt he was being low-balled?! This is better drama than Young and the Restless HAHAHA!!!
Do you have the report/source? I’d like to read that.
EG posted the tweet Larry Coon was the source… apparently people say he’s a reliable source.
Sorry, I failed to mention that EG posted the tweet in the TT article.
Sorry, my initial post should read 7.5 million period, which is less than half of what he was seeking.
TT’s agents screwed him baaad. Their only hope is that Lebron makes an ultimatum, which is (1) a horrible thing to ask of a “friend” and (2) not likely since he has been pretty clear about staying out of the negotiations. I’m actually starting to feel bad for TT now. His agents cost him tens of millions.
I agree… or he lacks the self-awareness to realize his approximate value.
It makes me wonder if LBJ buys into the ‘analytics’ aspect of player evaluation.
Because the analytics are clear on TT, however, I could see LBJ argue successfully that TT’s value cannot be quantified statistically.
It would be analogous to the value of Delly argument. Only problem with drawing such an analogy is Delly’s not asking for max money.
Exactly. TT has value, likely higher than what analytics measure, particularly on this team. How do you measure LBJ not having to fight for rebounds when TT can do it, thus saving his energy for other things, for example? But that doesn’t mean max deal. I thought Delly would sign for about 5 mill a year. i was surprised he took the qualifying, but he just wanted to be done with it and go play nationals. He seems to genuinely just want to play basketball and trusts the rest will sort itself out. Maybe naive, but that’s his choice. But… Read more »
Agree with your first point. Delly had no leverage, and may feel loyalty to the Cavs for giving him his first shot and sticking with him. I thought he’d sign for 2-3 million, just above minimum. Another good pt. re: TT. It is somewhat remarkable the near unanimity of opinions I’ve witnessed regarding TT’s demands. I used to like Jalen Rose… but after that fab 5 documentary and the KLove opinions… his opinions are like white noise to me. What’s crazy to me about this whole TT situation is the Klutch factor. How could they let TT make such a… Read more »
To be honest, I don’t feel bad for TT at all. Its his responsibility to sign his name on a line, not his agents. He has every right to say to RP that he wants to just get a deal done and sign for an already inflated salary. He should have never gotten such a big head in the first place. He doesn’t deserve the money he’s asking for. Its a shame because prior to this off-season, TT was one of my favorite Cavaliers. No more, no more. So much for that “Just wanting to win” attitude. Put your money… Read more »
TT is toast. His contract is toast.
Yes, hard to feel sorry for millionaire basketball players.
But that being said, only crime TT is guilty of is ignorance, to me. I don’t think he’s being purposefully malicious or spiteful. It’s just business… and unfortunately for Cavs and Cavs’ fans, he’s not handling his business well.
“where there’s blades there are ninja’s—where there is controversy there are COLS ” —–SHOULD HOPEFULLY GET A BETTER ” SAMPLE ” SUNDAY NIGHT ON THE TEAM / VERY ATHLETIC/ AGGRESIVE POST PLAYERS SEEM TO GIVE US PROBLEMS—IS WHERE T.T. MIGHT BE MSSSED THE MOST
This is the greatest show in the history of ninjas.
I loved Ninjas when I was younger. I really wanted to be one.
Indiana is going to be a playoff team this year. They might even sneak into the 4th or 5th seed…
Yeah, I think so. Addition by subtraction with Hibbert. George coming back. Definitely they got better.
Plus Ellis gives them a fairly reliable outside threat that they never had before, Allen and Mahinmi will be solid rebounders and both Turner and Young look like they can make an impact even as rookies.
PG-13 also looks like he’s on a mission already…
The easy and unselfish ball movement we’ve seen in earlier games went missing in this one. Mo certainly had his worst game and I wish Delly had been available.
LBJ might to be pushing himself too hard in the offseason. Again he’s coming out with good conditioning but injured.
The east is going to be tougher this year, with Boston, Indiana, and Milwaukee improved. Maybe the Bulls, too.
Joel Embiid seems to have the mentality of Andrew Bynum.
@HoopsRumors: Latest on #Sixers, Joel Embiid: http://t.co/tvNm0mQ3hK http://t.co/HcJMTMho6b
Worst run team in the NBA. They make the Kings look competent.
Shirley Temples are straight up sweet blood juice. He’s gonna lose a toe drinking them.
Boy, the Cavs dodged a bullet not drafting him. He still could eventually be great, but his only skill to this point has been his tweeting skill. But still, I believe in Hinkie. #trusttheprocess #teamhinkie #circlethewagons
I had the game on last night , but I didn’t do a whole lot of watching. I’m a little concerned about the health of this team. I fear another .500 record going into January.
Although, you shouldn’t really fear it given how they played from mid-January on… You never want injuries, but hopefully, they are getting them out of the way early…
Thanks for taking the bullet on this recap Cory. Just a brutal game to watch. Fortunately, I had a work thing that caused me to miss the second half.
Great to see MDN showing off his passing skills, and continuing his defensive ones, and his trips to the line… he should change his number to 15…
Halfway through, I thought I can’t believe I signed up for this abuse. Worst part is that the torture theme was just too dark and I shelved it. Regular season can’t get here fast enough.
At least there are only two preseason games left… and they’re a back to back, so it’ll be over by Tuesday…
I say no recaps for those. Don’t make anyone watch this crap.
Or you could just not read them…
I don’t mind reading them, I feel awful for people who have to write them and watch the “games”
We all have to try hard and get in shape for the season… we can’t all be like Mo… ;)
Who is MDN? Oh Jeez. Much Danger Ninja.
Trying hard to make it stick!
Or this one…
Or a jersey that does this…
That’s fine. Give him the first week or two of the regular season off too. I’m sure they can tired water without him for the first 10 games.
Yeah…. probably not…
Now, this, is not good.
Stop panicking. See below.
Ah good. Panic mode deactivated.
BUT WHY ISN”T MO GOING ALL OUT IN A PREASESONA GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haha. This banter today from you, Nate, and EG is particularly funny. I snorted at my desk.
I’m with COLS.
WHO CARES NATE!
It’s PRESEASON.
It factors into nothing.
The Cavs are going to suck for a few months with all the injuries. That it’s happening in preseason is meaningless.
That game was pure torture. I put a lot of onus on coastin’ Mo Williams who put out the “I don’t give a **** about this game” vibe from the tipoff. 1-6, five turnovers, three fouls, and two points in 19 minutes. YUCK. And I didn’t even mention his defense which was nonexistent. I suddenly got flashbacks of Mo’s ability to absolutely coast when he’s not feeling competitive. He might have the biggest difference between peak and valley in the NBA. It’s why he shouldn’t start. You can’t have a tone setter like that. You were right about Moz, Cory.… Read more »
I’m not worried about Mo. He’s a vet. He’s smart in his tactics. I doubt in a big game he will start coasting from the tip. In a way this probably saves him from freak injury in a meaningless game.
It’s preseason, why would you expect a vet like Mo to play hard? There is absolutely nothing to take away from these so-called games. They are glorified warmups for the season. And I hope the Cavs players coast some in every game this season. Just like last year you will be panicking at the slightest drop in intensity and I will have to be here to calm you down and assure you that the Cavs have 100% chance of making the Finals (as long as Lebron is healthy).
R-E-L-A-X
I don’t panic. I just don’t like guys who don’t play hard. It’s called pride. Have some.
Hey, how much more would you have to pay an NBA player to play hard?
I don’t think it matters. It’s wired into guys regardless of money. KG, Jordan, Psycho-T, Delly: those guys play hard regardless of talent, pay, or significance of the game. Some guys rarely play hard (Andrew Bynum).
Gotta get Mo a t-shirt with this on it…
And if you don’t think Mo Williams didn’t lay eggs in meaningful games, you don’t have a very good memory. Here’s how you avoid not playing hard when it matters: play hard all the time.
It’s a long season. Veterans know this. You’d probably run your team like Thibs and would run out of gas every playoffs. That’s why LeBron spends some of it in chill mode. The only people that need to play hard at all moments are the scrubs at the end of the bench. I expect those guys to play hard because that’s really their only skill set.
Meh. You can at least play with some focus and professionalism. Mo’s play was a joke.
Sigh… it’s only October 16th and we already have the first R-E-L-A-X comment from Cols… gonna be a loooooonnnnggg year…
Cols is really Aaron Rodgers.
Or Frankie after he went to Hollywood…
I was fully expecting you to post a pic or something like this. I set you up and you failed me.
Sigh…. it’s only October 16th and we already have Nate panicking over effort….gonna be a loooooonnnnggg year
I do still want one of these though…
Great recap Cory. The competitive part of me was starting to become a little annoyed with the amount of players the Cavs have been holding out. Then I turned on Houston-Golden State and watched the Rockets play their biggest rivals without Harden, Howard, Lawson, Ariza, Motiejunas, Capela, and Terry. A good reminder of how little the preseason matters. Cunningham is really winning me over with how he finds a way to affect each game. The eight assists to just two turnovers were nice. He’s kind of a poor man’s Shumpert, and if he can shoot at all, he could be… Read more »
I’ll take poor man’s Shump for the last man on the bench…