Recap: Cleveland 116, Milwaukee 97 (Or, He’s Still The King)
2017-10-21I must admit, I thought the Cavs had a good chance of dropping this game. The Bucks are long and tend to force the Cavs into a lot of turnovers. LeBron and company are still getting into the groove of things, and I saw this turning into a sloppy game of back and forth. Fortunately, for much of the game the pace was slow and the Cavs were able to come out and get a comfortable win against a tough squad, thanks to LeBron showing a young challenger why he’s still King of the hill.
1st Quarter:
The Cavs had trouble shooting it in the first quarter, especially from outside. They failed to make a single three pointer out of five tries, and even though they had some good looks, nothing was falling. The Bucks were not suffering from the same malady, as they were shooting lights out from beyond the arc. The Cavaliers kept pace until about half way through the first when they managed to tie it at 16. The rest of the quarter stayed close as I kept expecting the pace of the game to pickup. The Cavs had five turnovers in the first but it never turned into a track meet, the kind the Cavs would inevitably lose. Since that wasn’t the result, I guess I couldn’t be too disappointed. Score tied 25-25.
2nd Quarter:
The second quarter featured a lot back and forth in the half court. It never seemed like either team was playing exactly stellar defense, but more like neither was executing particularly well. There were patient possessions by both teams that seemingly ended with a tough shot or a poorly selected one.
I’m still not sure what Ty Lue’s game plan is when Jeff Green is in the game. He played the first five minutes of the quarter, and it seemed like he took just about every shot available. I was curious, so I went and looked it up. Of the nine shots taken during the five minute span, Green took five of them. That seems like too many. To be fair, Green made a few of those, and had some good cuts along the way. Despite seeing Green’s good side tonight, I would prefer he not be the primary offensive threat when he’s in the game.
Kyle Korver entered the game in the second quarter and was able to can a pair of threes. This was a welcome change from Tuesday night when he failed to take a shot in seven minutes of play. More to come on La Flama Blanca (spoiler: he keeps shooting and making threes). The rest of the quarter was a grind, with a whole lot less transition than one would expect to see between these two teams. Neither party held more than a four point lead until the last minute when the Cavs slowly crept ahead by six on a Jae Crowder layup. Cavs up 55-49 at the half.
3rd Quarter:
Historically, Cleveland has had a hard time coming out with the requisite energy to start third quarters. Fortunately, the Cavs were able to hold off a few pushes by the Bucks to get back into the game. Finally, someone other than Korver (thank you Jae Crowder!) made a three, and the Cavs started to separate themselves from their hosts about half way through the quarter. The Cavs picked up their energy and started to get a couple stops by forcing the pace and creating a few turnovers.
Then Cleveland turned it up to 11, and Korver looked like the shooter we all know and love as he hit three straight threes in just over a minute. KK’s outburst gave the Cavaliers a 12 point lead and some much needed breathing room. For the rest of the quarter the Cavs kept the Bucks at arms length, never allowing the gap closer than nine. They ended the quarter with a buzzer beater by Green which you can see below. Cavs were in control, 86-73.
4th Quarter:
The Cavs kept the pressure coming into the fourth, and managed to extend the lead to 16 in the first four minutes. They had Milwaukee well in hand from this point forward, as the defense was quick and reacting well, forcing turnovers and dictating the pace.
The three point shooting improved all around as the Cavs went 4-6 in the quarter, finishing the game 11-26, good for 42.3%. Milwaukee went cold at the wrong time, going 2-7 from three for fourth quarter and 11-35 on the game. There was a bad foul in the fourth on Rose when Greg Monroe gave him a horse collar on his way to the hoop. Though ruled a common foul, it caused Rose to land awkwardly on his ankle, ending his night on the court. Watch here as Rose drives and gets snagged out of mid-air.
Unfortunately, the Bucks kept the game within striking distance and prevented any significant early exit in this game. LeBron and the rest of the starters were finally pulled for the last minute of the game and we got to see Channing hit a nice garbage time three. Cavs prevail, 116-97.
Some Notes:
1 – LeBron James heard all about how Giannis Antetokounmpo is the possible heir to his crown as the best player in the NBA, but King James isn’t about to abdicate his throne anytime soon. Yes, the Greek Freak had another impressive line (34 points on 15-22 shooting with eight rebounds, eight assists, three steals and a block), but LeBron was a maestro controlling his team’s pace, tempo and defensive aggression all night. He responded with 24 points of his own on 10-16 shooting, with eight assists, five boards and this authoritative block on the young Alphabet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUDqyFIT_n4
Giannis might have the gifts to rise to Bron’s level one day, but even a rusty “out of shape” LBJ was able to coax much more out of his supporting cast than the young Greek, as witnessed by their +14 vs. -17 disparity on the court.
2 – Rose continues to impress with his drives. He has a great first step and once he gets his shoulder around the defender, he’s got no chance. It’s good to see Rose still has some of that quickness left in the tank. It was unfortunate he hurt the ankle in the fourth quarter. After the game, Ty Lue mentioned it didn’t look good, although he may have just been referring to Rose’s availability for the second night of the back to back against Orlando. No MRI or x-rays were indicated for the ankle.
Ty Lue said Derrick Rose sprained his ankle tonight and "it doesn't look good." Expecting Calderon to start at PG tmrw vs Orlando
— Jason Lloyd (@ByJasonLloyd) October 21, 2017
3 – Kevin Love started strong, but wound up with a somewhat quieter than expected 17 and 12 night. Even though there aren’t a ton of plays run for him, he continues to haul in the rebounds and do a lot of the small things like being in the right place at the right time. He also showed a terrific ability to get to the line early by abusing the Bucks down low, as well as knock down technicals for the team. Those much talked about Love elbow sets are still nowhere to be found, though.
4 – The bench scored 45 points tonight led by Kyle Korver’s 17. Good to see some production finally coming from the second unit for a change. Also, there was much more of a balance of minutes to the top 10 rotation players by Ty Lue in the game in contrast to the opener against Boston.
5 – Overall, the Cavs played solid defensively and were aggressive with their switching and trapping. They allowed Giannis his second straight big night, but really didn’t let anyone else on the Bucks beat them. Malcolm Brogdon had some good moments with 16 points (4-9 from three), but no other Milwaukee player reached double digits.
6 – The Cavs made every one of their 17 free throws, which is kind of remarkable.
Overall, a good game for the Cavs who came out with a comfortable win against a tough team. It was great to see them get a good win against a playoff team after the odd near letdown against the Celtics following the Hayward injury. It was also a treat to see LeBron show a young MVP challenger that he still reigns supreme.
Cleveland plays Orlando at the Q tomorrow on the second night of a back to back. We’ll see how the old vets hold up, and hope for some positive news on that Rose ankle. Go Cavs!
Payton is out for the Magic. Gordon questionable (he missed the Nets game).
Lets KO these guys early & get Frye, Osman, & Zizic some run.
That would be cool!
Payton out for the Magic is a plus for the Magic.
League upgraded foul on Rose to a flagrant. I have a lot of sympathy for refs in real time. When you stare at a replay for 5 minutes & have a discussion & still blow it, that is sad.
Of course, I think we know why he doesn’t get calls.
So the next time we play the Bucks we get two FT and possession to start the game?
I’ll be at the game tonight and I’m listed as questionable for backup PG.
Haha nice one Arch.
Anyone else notice how into the game Isaiah was?
http://www.giphy.com/gifs/3ov9jCS1P35a3iF95K
CROWDSURFER, or THREE’S-A-CROWD doing the windmill!
Yes! Here’s another one, Giannis did not get the call on a drive (5:20 mark of 3rd Quarter), Lebron gets easy layup on other end, Bucks call Time-Out. Giannis with hands up at Ref, Isaiah comes jumping off the bench clapping at him. He’s going to be great once he’s in uniform, great personality, big contrast from Kyrie.
http://www.giphy.com/gifs/3o7aCSQMMMEfAlSuzK
Can’t wait to root for this guy.
I wish some NBA player could body slam Lonzo Ball’s father. What a douche. Lonzo is young any may have a hard time still telling his Dad to STFU. That doesn’t excuse Kyrie’s apparent deference to his father Drederick given he is 25. I am still astounded Kyrie actually told LeBron that Drederick said they should not “fraternize with the enemy” as justification for rudeness to Randy Mims. James helped Kyrie grow his game exponentially, and as a reward LeBron’s friends are labelled enemies. Good riddance. It sure appears James overall is so much happier in interviews. As others have… Read more »
Great inaugural regular season recap, JMay! Good to have you on the team!
I noticed one thing last night that made me happier than anything else. Whether they were part of the game plan or not a number of players cut consistently and were rewarded with easy layups. Green has cut or dove to the hoop several times in the past two games. He also goes hard with his rolls which is nice, one which led to an easy layup off a beautiful pocket pass from JR. Crowder has gotten several layups off nice cuts, living up to his reputation as a guy that gets easy buckets that way. LBJ was found several… Read more »
That’s a terrific point John B… Green is at his absolute best when he is cutting, and I hope we see even more of it as the rotations settle in. Crowder has really been a revelation not only with the cuts, but with his all around game and BBIQ. Kind of makes me wish the Cavs hadn’t traded him away on draft night initially… But yes, through two games they’ve looked more like a fully dimensional modern NBA team in terms of ball and player movement for sure…
Yes, Green and Crowder and Wade are all smart cutters. Fun to watch.
Is it possible I overrated Irving’s impact?
Too soon to say just yet but ….. this team is intriguing.
I don’t know, in the past you’ve been pretty accurate at rating players.
Did you forget your /s?
Somethings are better left being implied!
I’ve got you covered, Arch — /s
I think many of us (myself included) allowed our appreciation of Kyrie’s greatness at the things he excels at (handles, clutch threes, finishing at the rim, MFQ-ishness) cloud or at least temper our view of his shortcomings (over-dominance of the ball, tunnel vision, selfishness, poor defensive rotation, laziness). I know I excused a lot in my own perspective because he would routinely rise up and show the pinnacle of his greatness with ballhandling wizardry and clutch game-winners. Yet, over the course of a regular season, that’s less impactful. The honest truth is that we’ll all probably just have to wait… Read more »
Yep. We won’t really know how much we miss his strengths until we reach the point where they become far more important.
True. A lot of ITs strengths & weaknesses line up with Kyre’s. It is like getting 85% of Irving minus 100% of the a-holeness plus some heart and fire. Plus Crowder, the picks, & Zizic. I would do that trade every time.
I really dislike the modern NBA game where going to the hoop is no longer ever rewarded with foul calls. Touch a jump shooter and they call it. Slap a dude driving to the hoop and no call. Sucks.
See the knuckleheads of Rick Mahorn and Bill Lambier and what they did to guys including Mark Mark and tell me that modern bball don’t call fouls under the hoop. I will say guards and slight guards get way more calls now proportionally to big guys or wings.
Rose and LeBron drive non stop. And all they got was four three throws between them.
It was nowhere near like the early 90s though where contact was allowed and encouraged at the rim. Some contact is allowed now, but not the mauling that occurred back in the day.
I kinda thought the same too as JMay. Past Cavs teams have struggled against the tenacious Bucks and would often look like they just didn’t want to match that effort during regular season. But some thing is different this year and it’s clearly NOT the same team. No no no. Its beginning to look … should I dare say? Better?? They are committed to defense and want to embrace that. I enjoy watching the after game pressers. Players from Green , Crowder and Wade talked defense first. The quiet 4 point Wade isn’t a knock at him at all. It… Read more »
For all the Bledsoe lovers out there (cough Nate) ball had a near triple double against Bledsoe after a nothing night against Beverly
Yep. Bledsoe has been way overrated here.
The suns defense as a whole is awful.
Ehh… the guy’s probably depressed he’s stuck on the Suns… he’ll almost def be traded by the deadline…
The alley oop from Love to Lebron looked spontaneous and opportunistic but was a designed play. Korver looped around and picked Lebron’s man, Love was waiting for it. Nice.
1. Two good games out of Rose is two more than I hoped for. No surprise he’s injured, we should get used to it.
2. Both J.R. and Korver give you more than either Wade or Shumpert. Wade belongs on the bench for no more than 15-20 minutes a night. J.R. should Start and Korver is the first one in.
3. Lebron hasn’t missed a free throw yet this season. What’s his record to start a season? 3?
4. Green is playable if he doesn’t go Shump.
5. Bucks are great. I miss Delly.
Other random thought: I never appreciated what a physical specimen Jeff Green is. The dude is ripped and is long and is tall.
DWade is not a small man.
Pffft… New Orleans choking that game away..
Lonzo Ball looked fantastic. Maybe all those who buried him after one game should apologize.
I watched the highlights. I think he is an elite passer with great feel for the game. But he lacks elite quickness that NBA PGs have. The only way he can get to the rim is if he comes off of a pick.
I think he will be good, and evolve into an elite assist man, but I think his lack of quickness limits his superstar potential.
Elite passer? Magic is elite, Lebron is elite, Nash.. You mean to say he’s already on that level? No way. I like his poise even after that horrible debut. Ever since summer league he isn’t wildin out on every play. But he’s definitely getting it every night because of his dad. I’m seeing him like Rubio with better shooting despite the Marion-level ugly shot. Good floor general despite being young, his feel for the game like you said, but he’s absolutely way worse of a defender than when Rubio entered the league. Speaking of his shot, imagine him taking that… Read more »
Rubio is a good comp.
Not sure why you are charged up about the semantics of “elite.” Magic, Nash, and LeBron are like the three best passers of all-time. I don’t view “elite” as synonym for “best of all time,” if that is what you are asking.
He is a true point though first and foremost. If they get another scorer on that team or if Ingram actually develops, I doubt Ball is guarded by the other team’s best defensive wing.
Just wait until Delly gets his hands on him.
Where do we apologize? Is there a hotline?
Against the worst team in the NBA… yeah, you could probably sniff a triple double against the Suns…
Apologize? Guffaw… I’m doubling down on that punk…
True enough, but 29 points and a near triple double are pretty good for a rookie no matter who they are playing. His scoring will probably be the thing he will struggle with the most. However, clearly if he can get any space he will shoot a high percentage from three. His court vision is undeniably good and he is a heck of a passer. Some of his outlets last night were very heads up plays and they were right on the money for easy layups and dunks. He also is a good rebounder for a lead guard and looks… Read more »
Say it with me… R-I-C-K-Y-R-U-B-I-O…
Rubio could never shoot threes though. Ball will hit a high percentage of open ones. Also some on this blog love Rubio, not including myself.
Just saying that hype is a *itch… so I have no problem trolling about the Balls all day long…
Ha I get it. Also fits your new persona perfectly. Honestly, I have mixed feelings on Ball because while I like his game, specifically his passing, I find it difficult to separate my thoughts on lonzo from Lavar. On the one hand I kind of wouldn’t mind him struggling just to shut Lavar up. On the other, I found him fun to watch at UCLA and objectively think he will be good. I would find it easier to enjoy his game if he wasn’t playing for the lakers. I am now more doubtful on Fultz since I read about him… Read more »
Fultz isn’t a mature person yet. He needs time. Lonzo somehow is quite low key and mature probably from having to live around his father’s antics.
BTW, I thought Wade was fine last night & Rose excellent. I know their guards are not the quickest, but we were good on non Giannis penetration. Rotations were mostly very good.
Wade didn’t shoot real well, but he didn’t chuck more than 1 or 2. Most importantly, he keeps James in line & focused. He doesn’t dog it as much with Wade around. Less chill mode. That is worth it’s weight in gold.
Wade has been really good. Once he gets his shot back it will be even better. Our guard defense is great right now.
He had 4 points. Isn’t that the first line of your book of sucktatude.
I love how you are assuming ‘he’ll get his shot back’.
Good writeup. Only nit is failing to mention Love’s 6 assists. One was an outlet & I remember one oop to Bron from out front. But I think some of the others came from the elbow area. Was kind of disappointed we didn’t go to him more. But it is early days, Lue is experimenting, wecare deep, and everyone has to eat. One more tidbit on Love. Their decision to have Middleton guard him really took the legs out from under him. He had no legs for his shot on the other end after jostling with Love & the post.… Read more »
The coolest thing is that we are getting an all nba PG in January. And have a top 5 pick in next years draft.
He won’t be all-nba this year.
Obviously. He’s injured for a good chunk of the season. But he will make a gigantic impact once he gets back into game shape.
Another comment: how good was TT last night? Man, I love that dude. It’s amazing how he has evolved into one of those savvy veteran role players that outsmarts people on the offensive boards and anchors the D. Chris Grant was right! :)
I really like how he performs on his role coming off the bench. Never heard any complaints, not forcing anything too much, works as hard as ever and being a role model for the bench guys.
Rose’s left ankle took a big impact when he landed awkwardly last night. I thought he was going to limp out of the floor, so the fact that he took his free throws is a good sign. I think he’s still trying to determine what his position is here. In Chicago he was the number one option and NY was a clusterF due to horrible coaching/Phill, so here, playing alongside the most amount of talent he ever has, it will take a bit to get adjusted. Another issue with Rose is he’s no longer getting calls by the refs, same… Read more »
Rose is the backup PG once IT returns. He will look so good against other backups.
Yes he will. I was freaking out a bit when he landed so hard on his left ankle. We need him for our second unit.
Green and Wade have added much needed defensive presence to the Cavs. Once THOMAS gets back Wade in the starting lineup will make more sense. And wades isage is so s low that even when he’s playing himself into shape he’s not hikacking the offense at all.
Gee. The Cavs are really good. If only we can remember this when we lose a game.
Such a downer – 82-0 is still in play
Yeah, you really should work on that.
Rough game by Delly last night. Bucks will go as their shooting goes.
He looked terrible.
Now that he’s living in the land of Brats and Beer, I worry about Delly’s ability to manage his weight.
He did look chunky again.
I don’t have the issues with Wade everyone else does. His J is off but his defense has been solid, he hasn’t been hijacking o (too much), and he knows how to set up LeBron as well as anyone. Most importantly, he hasn’t been doing anything dumb. He also has inspired JR to play better. Rose on the other hand is kind of useless when he isn’t driving. He’s not a great pure point, his defense is reckless, and he’s not a floor stretcher.
Yeah. Rose injury might be a blessing. I think having Calderon with first unit might help a bit. At the very least, it will be interesting to see how the team looks with him running it.
And good point on Wade’s D and effect on JR. JR seems fired up by the bench role. Showing more dimensions to his game.
Agree with this. The only time Rose might be useful in this team is when all of Lebron, Love and Wade isn’t on the floor. Where he can freely attack and provide offense for those spurts.
Agree with Leo. The depth last night was incredible. Also the athleticism. The defensive flexibitily of lineups like TT, Green/Jae, Shump/Korver, JR, Wade/LBJ is very nice, and better for Ws matchup. I also agree that Wade is the biggest short-run issue. He isn’t playing at a very high level. I think Lue knows he would be better off limiting his minutes in the short-run, but I also think he wants to see if Wade can evolve into the head of the dragon when LBJ rests. Once IT is back, I think Wade’s role might be a poor man’s version of… Read more »
After everyone was freaked out about Game 1, this team comes back and quietly dominates an opponent that could be future playoff contender and matchup this year. Should quiet down critics for some time. I think Bucks are solid team, but they don’t really have a bench and that lack of depth is what killed them last night. The Cavs depth is remarkable and the 45 bench points are unreal. Really the Cavs lost the Finals last year due to having zero bench production. I’m not expecting 45/night from bench, but if it happens, then Cavs will be tough to… Read more »
Rose has been sluggish, but he sure isn’t near Shump levels. Rose has played smart defense. and although his mid range jumper is off, doesn’t too stupid things like Shumpert. I think Wade is good for the team’s culture too, as I haven’t seen jogging back after arguing calls on the offensive end like in previous years. And I sure don’t miss Kyrie’s jogging back, then pointing for someone else to cover his man that he left unguarded.
“Haven’t seen JAMES jogging back after arguing calls…..”
Thanks JMay. The second unit. We have one! For me this game was all about the second unit. No bleeding.
Good recap. Thanks for writing it.
Green and Crowder appear to give the Cavs legit size and versatility on the wings. Been waiting for this for years. Wade and Rose still feel like inevitable liabilities. Trust in the King to lead the way.