Recap: Cavs 115, Hornets 107 (Or, The Bench Helps Out)
2017-11-16Once again, Cleveland’s inability to play 48 minutes of complete basketball made a game look shakier than it should have at times. The Cavs looked dominant for several stretches of the game though and hinted at what they can be. And, unsurprisingly, a lot of the good stuff came directly as a result of LeBron James.
James helped the Cavs open in fantastic fashion racing out to a 19-6 lead. Whenever James got the ball early on, he pushed it. His first basket of the night came when he grabbed a board and dribbled the length of the floor before spinning into the lane for an all too easy 3-point play. The next points came after James grabbed a steal and then passed it to Jae Crowder before getting it back for another basket. Eight of the Cavs’ first ten came in transition. James would go on to finish the quarter with 14 points, and three assists. He finished the night with 31 points, eight assists, and six rebounds. He hit four of his seven 3s.
Charlotte didn’t give up after their rough start. Their first six points were by Nicolas Batum, who was playing his first game of the season and that didn’t even rattle their confidence. After calling a timeout with the Cavs up 16, they ripped off eight straight. Dwight Howard started to establish himself down low very deep, which caused a little bit of trouble for Cleveland’s defense as they worried about his rebounding, ultimately creating space for their shooters. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist contributed six points including two mid-rangers that looked as if he were whipping the ball at the rim and hoping for the best. The Cavs finished the first with LeBron draining a step-back 3 to be up 36-30. Cleveland hit five 3s in the quarter too, which helped to keep their lead despite some questionable defense.
The second quarter is where things fell apart for Cleveland. Charlotte racked up 37 points. Cleveland lost track of Jeremy Lamb immediately and he scored seven quick ones. Then Malik Monk scored five more. Still, Cleveland’s back ups were holding up. Dwyane Wade dished out three early assists and kept the Cavs offense floating. Wade finished the night with five assists, and seven boards to go with seven points.
It wasn’t Charlotte’s big name guys that sank the Cavs. It was all the little names on the team contributing in the quarter that hurt. MKG chipped in four more and Batum added another seven on 3-4 shooting. Charlotte ended the half up by six after starting down by six in the quarter and shooting 56% from the floor.
However, the Cavs came to play in the third. Kevin Love, who had 22 points and ten rebounds on the night, scored two easy baskets after catching the ball and driving to the hoop from the mid-post early on. More importantly though, he caused Dwight Howard to pick up his third and fourth fouls of the evening in the first two minutes of the action. Love kept Howard struggling and out of the game due to fouls. Dwight scored just eight points, and had four turnovers. He had only five boards.
The Cavs didn’t immediately take advantage of Howard’s absence though. There were a lot of ill-advised shots. The ball was sticking and there were heaves. Some went down. James hit two step-back 3s he probably shouldn’t be taking. The real magic happened when LeBron was called for his second charge of the quarter, and second in less than one minute, which put him on the bench with four fouls. The Cavs were down 82-79 when he sat.
The true stars of the game got to come through, the bench, which finished the night with 40 points. Channing Frye and Kyle Korver both got hot. With 1:44 left Frye, got an offensive board and went right back up to score. The Cavs then trapped Charlotte on the baseline and got the ball back again. Frye found Korver for a 3-pointer; and then blocked Cody Zeller at the rim, which led to Wade finishing the quarter with two freebies because the Cavs managed to snag an offensive board generating some hacking chaos. This 6-0 bench run put the Cavs up four headed into the fourth; they managed to hold on fairly easily while LeBron stayed on the bench.
They played defense getting two steals in the first few minutes of the final frame. They didn’t capitalize on them, but the effort was there from the bench group. Korver contributed with a 3-pointer and Jeff Green ran the floor to get fouled. Green even grabbed an offensive board that led to Frye dropping a 3-pointer with 10:01 left to put the Cavs up nine.
Charlotte couldn’t get back in it with James out and when LeBron checked in it seemed over. They got within four after Frank Kaminksy completed a 3-point play, but LeBron followed that by slamming down a Wade oop to show he wasn’t going to lose . Cleveland scored 27 in the fourth, but allowed Charlotte to put up only 23 points. Charlotte shot 50%, but they turned it over five times and got off just four 3s, as the Cavs cruised to a 115-107 victory.
Gripes
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- Iman Shumpert continues to confound me. He was 2-8 for seven points and had four assists. He passed up so many great open shots tonight to just dribble and disrupt the offense. Why he starts at “point guard” is still a question to me. Just because he likes to dribble doesn’t make him a point guard.
- J.R. Smith is still struggling. He hit two of his six 3s and finished with ten points, but his defense was severely lacking. He was abused by Nicolas Batum who back cut him and just broke free too often. Batum finished the night with 16 points and six assists.
- MKG was able to have his best game of the season against the Cavs. He had 22 points on 10-14 shooting and six rebounds. He took zero 3s. I understand why the Cavs left him alone sometimes. He just isn’t supposed to make shots. He got lucky, but he was very open several times when James left him.
- The Cavs defense is still too haphazard for my liking. Look at poor Frank Kaminsky here. The Cavs leave him so open he’s almost confused he’s gonna get that easy of a basket.
Hypes
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- A win is a win. The Cavs held Charlotte to just 40 points in the second half tonight. They also held Kemba Walker, who had 12 points and six assists in the first half, to just eight points and one assist in the final 24.
- And, their 3-point shot seems like it’s falling a little bit better. They had five in the first quarter, which was a welcome sight. They had 13 for the evening.
- Effort wise, the team still isn’t there, but they’re starting to show just a little more. Tonight, the bench really came through. Channing Frye had nine points on 4-8 shooting to go with a block and eight boards. Korver had 11 points and was 3-10 from deep. 3-10 from deep isn’t good, but he’s getting great looks and teams are worried about where he is at all times.
- And, Jeff Green chipped in 13 points on 5-8 shooting. Green is impressing me with his ability to cut off the ball consistently and to run the floor coast to coast. His game is really efficient right now. All three of these guys played great defense tonight.
Watch that play. Now, watch it again. The Cavs need to do more stuff like this. Having a 3-point shooter like Korver screen for LeBron creates so many tough decisions for a defense. Having a 3-point shooter like Frye screen for Korver creates beautiful buckets like this all day. Screen for the screener. It’s not hard to get open looks like this. This action needs to be incorporated into Cleveland’s offense more often.
- The Cavs play again Friday against the Clippers. Let’s hope this win is a sign of what’s to come.
Live thread up and fixed the captia.
Live Thread up.
Why is it asking me for a Code every time I want to post a message? That’s going to get old soon. Like now.
Hey the message board is back to normal. Heyyyooo!
Yeah. Sorry. Stupid auto-updates.
Sorry Nate. Can the Code part be removed?
yeah saw that on drose—–I mean should we just ” put the fork ” in both him and jose and look for a younger / solid / pt gd
Yes. No reason to keep them if we can’t even play them.
Rose out two more weeks according to Cavs.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21449700/derrick-rose-cleveland-cavaliers-least-2-more-weeks
Heck of a signing by the Cavs FO. You know it’s an awesome signing when the chances of winning are improved by his sitting for several weeks.
evidently not–I was gone for 10 days and returned to wtf —thought I was still on my “vacation stupor “
Yeah, it’s definitely not as pleasing to the eyes as the old one. Also, the avatars are not coming up for me.
Am I the only one with a new, less friendly message board?
hey remember me —-been down in Shenandoah valley/ skyline drive / blue ridge parkway—-camping / hiking / soaking down some local craft beers and making memories with my sons / wife ——so what is happening—clueless fired yet –drose traded —-good shump or bad shump—have we found cols yet ——good to be back—will try to tune in tonight — although just drove about 500 miles straight thru—might have some brew and collapse—go cavs !!!
Nothing’s changed much. The team seems to be playing a bit better in the second half of games, so that’s a plus. Unfortunately the first halves have been putrid.
Welcome back!
Lowe talks about part of the reason why the Celtics are so tremendous defensively. Spoiler, they mirror the warriors ability to switch nearly all of their main personnel, save Kyrie, without having any major mismatches resulting from it. On top of that they do it with mistake free, perfectly executed precision.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21438641/zach-lowe-10-things-like-featuring-pelicans-nba
Since the Clippers are swooning now, the Cavs could try pillaging their team via the Nets pick etc….but I still don’t believe they are open to trading it…either Jordan or Beverley would be good gets…
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaebtd3n
Obviously you add the Nets pick.
Nice job….that would make the Cavs much better this season, for sure…
TT will be happy to move to LA. This trade will definitely help us fight the Warriors.
lot of overreaction from Celtics/Warriors game last night…can’t believe Mannix from SI is already predicting a Finals matchup…thats so unlike him as he is normally reserved in his analysis and writings. I’m not sure who posted above, but it was along lines of ‘we have seen celtics this good before, last year, see what they do in playoffs. i still find it hard to believe they can beat Lebron 4x…i watched first half of game, it looked like Warriors were utilizing Cavs effort and then turned it on and it was double digit leads constantly. Brown played emotional game and… Read more »
Wonder what the Celtics will be like with Hayward back next year?
still think the Celtics will get better in future, but they’re not their yet, and I can’t get over how they lost TWICE by 30-40 points in a conference finals series last year. granted team is different but still thats why I don’t take Rockets seriously either after their debacles in playoffs.
Their team is way different now. Brown isn’t a rookie anymore. Tatum is a serious plus contributor on both ends as a rookie. Irving is a far better defender than IT could ever be. Too bad he didn’t do that in Boston. Rosier is an incredible defender after a year of experience. When you take it all in, their pieces logically add up to one of the better defenses in years.
In Cleveland I mean
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y76lowtg
Done, lol
Bradley PG
Korver SG
James SF
Love PF
Davis C
Wouldn’t that be nice. I still start JR though.
Can we please make this happen?
One optimistic take: Stevens isn’t an Xs and Os genius. What he does do very well is get young teams to stick to a game plan and expend max effort. Presumably Ty Lue is almost as capable in drawing up a system and game plan, he just doesn’t do a great job of sticking to it, at least in the regular season. Last year he held hostage cards close to the vest on gameplanning Boston and when it came time we dominated them. Hopefully if anything this game will inspire the Cavs to be more disciplined going forward. We’ll have… Read more »
One thing though is that having an offensive system like Stevens, Budzenholer, Pop, Kerr, etc. has and still can make up for superior talent, or take the burden off that talent in the regular season. In other words a team can overachieve or achieve more with less energy expended. The cavs have never had a system that didn’t rely completely and utterly on one guy doing everything at all times. There is no reason or excuse to need that in the regular season for some of the teams we have had the past few years. I have always harped on… Read more »
I suck at grammar using my typical mobile posting method on this blog, especially this late. Sorry
It’s weird though, because offenses aren’t really a secret. I’m pretty sure LeBron probably knows the entire Warriors playbook by heart after 3 straight finals. So it’s not like Lue is an idiot that can create an offense. It must be LeBron driven. But LeBron’s not an idiot and clearly respects Pop. I’m confused
To be fair, the actual sets the warriors have run have gotten far more complex and fluid, at least in the options stemming from individual actions, in the past three years. It is to the point now that with the core group, they truly are read and react, whereby every individual has set precise fixed spots they go to, but also have secondary and tertiary actions that flow seamlessly from the original actions to give more or less an unpredictable array of motions to react to if the initial primary strong side and weak on and offball motions leads to… Read more »
No one knows how good the young guys on the Celtics will be at the end of the season. Brown is improving, Tatum is already good…and if the Celtics want to, they have the assets to add someone before the trade deadline. At the very least, they actually play D and get into the passing lanes…GS missed a ton of open shots earlier in the game, but in the 4th, they weren’t getting many good looks. They looked a lot like the Cavs in the 4th, just clanking a bunch of threes. I maintain that the Cavs should never have… Read more »
Celtics have a roster that can actually defend the Warriors. Physical, athletic, young, versatile defenders.
Nice recap, David. That Hornets team isn’t any good any more, though. Dwight ruins every team he’s on.
Defense wins championships. They wouldn’t beat the warriors in a seven game series, but the Celts and their d must be for real. Damn, gotta say I am impressed. Thought they would get torched.
So synthesis for those that didn’t watch: Steph and Kyrie both sucked for 3 quarters. Warriors were up like 11 in 3Q. Celtics went on 17-0 run fueled by defense and Jaylen Brown going nuts all with Kyrie on bench. Kyrie came back in 4th quarter and owned Klay and won game. Warriors were getting very disjointed and lazy but hard to tell if due to effort or bc Celtics were disrupting flow. Never really looked like Warriors were utilizing their real offense in second half. Lots of 1 on 1. I’d venture this was Celtics ceiling and Warriors at… Read more »
Could the Dubs’ shot selection look any more rec? The Celts almost looked like the 2015 Cavs, grinding the D and keeping it close… may be the only way to take the Warriors out…
Agree. But can’t tell whether Warriors were lazy or disjointed due to Celtics D. Unfortunately I think Irving maybe better than Bron at taking over 4th quarters offensively at this point.
Aaand Irving with the game winner. Definitely wouldn’t expect this result in next matchup but Celtics can go very far with recipe of D+ give ball to Irving in last 6 minutes. Fairly similar to 2007 Cavs but better
If BOS v GSW were the Finals, who do we root for?
The Indians. Finals? What Finals?
Even if we get the IT of last year, trading Irving to the Celtics was incredibly dumb. Only way this works out as net positive is if we get a major impact player using the Nets pick. And yes he’s having a terrible game
Earth to RDE:
Repeat this slowly: Irving — Demanded — A — Trade.
OK, got that?
Once you are past this, you can move on to obsessing about something else.
Earth to Raoul: players can’t demand trades.
Well they can. Teams don’t necessarily have to accommodate them. If he showed up and played like Bledsoe you can either shut them down and let them rot or capitulate. I would have shut Bledsoe down and let him rot. The more I learned about Irvings attitude towards James the more I think he would have held out for awhile, maybe even a month or two, and then likely come back and sabotaged the team with his play until the team shut him down. However, Cavs were still trying to placate James so Irving likely needed to go since it… Read more »
Maybe he was sabotaging the team for years playing bad D….
I mean he played mediocre d in the finals. I don’t think he was sabotaging the team when he blitzed curry in 2016. Sorry if you were being facetious.
RDE: Sure they can. This is 2017.
Also no reason at all to trade him to our biggest rival.
+1 You don’t trade your 2nd best player to a rival.
Uggghh this game is like watching Donald Trump run against Sarah Palin and having a vested interest in Trump
republicans have become the filth of this planet.
unnecessary on a basketball blog.
So what do Celtics do on D that works so well?
Was hoping to know myself from someone watching the game. Clearly they are truly very very good defensively if the box score is any indication.
They seem to try very hard and always be in the right place at the right time. So 50% effort and 50% system I guess
Having a smart scheme that fits your personnel and game plans for the other team, along with flawless execution, and effort is the main part of competent d. It also helps to have athletes, but if you make mistakes and don’t try you can have all the athletes you want and you still won’t be good. Maybe mediocre but not elite. They have the athletes, so if they do the former everything falls into place. If they hold the warriors under a hundred, they pass a huge test and are clearly capable of being one of the best defensive teams… Read more »
Well unfortunately it looks like Golden State offense performance probably due more to D than O right now
Also gs looks much more tired than boston
1) Try hard for 48 minutes.
2) Get rotations right
3) Stay in front of their men better
4) Actually look like there is a plan
5) Have someone willing to stick KD (Brown) & Curry (Smart).
Can’t watch the game. Is the Celtics d really this legit?
Dubs shooting like trash and still up by 10…betting they smoke the Celtics in 2nd half…
because celts are shooting horrible, 25th in the league this year, shooting 32% for the game.
Any chance flat earther goes off in 4th ?
Boy does Swaggy P have no filter on his shots… just lets it fly no matter what the situation.
Man I absolutely hate the Dubs.
I do too. I actually want them to beat the Celtics tho. I hate Boston on a more permanent basis. When GS is no longer GS I probably won’t care about them at all. I want Boston to fail in every sport on every level for all time… So there’s that…
Yeah, same. I’d be fine if the Dubs win this by 60…
I gotta go the other way. I can’t stand the stupid smirk on Curry’s face.
So far Dubs pummeling the Celtics on the boards.
I’ll bet someone that Irving hits take winner tonight
***game winner
I’m betting he hits a shot that gets the Celtics within 18 late in the 4th…
Celtics about to get a reality check in 2 and a half hours.
I sure hope so. I’ll be cranky if the Dubs screw around with them.
Young upstarts with the current best record in the league? I think they are probably in for a pummeling. I don’t think it will be as much of a blowout, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the warriors come out in full MLK day destruction mode. Plus you have the Irving Curry rivalry.
It will depend on how much importance coaches give to the game. Kerr is committed to play 13 players every game. Warriors lost to Rockets when Kerr played everyone and while MDA stuck to 8 players rotation.
but credit where it is due, celtics lost their top 2 player and have like 10 new players., partly the reason their offense is not clicking but that is not stopping them to play elite defense to be top 3 team so far.
This is the least likeable good team I’ve ever watched. It’s almost like they hate basketball.
Sure seems like they do sometimes.
This won’t ever happen because the sixers would likely decline after showing how much they value Embiid after that contract extension.
However, if the contracts matched up (they don’t until his extension kicks in) how many would do Love for Embiid keeping in mind Embiid’s injury history and his upcoming mega contract?
I probably would roll the dice.
I would do that all week and twice on Sunday…injury is always a possibility (same for Love), but Embiid is a guy who can be an MVP one day, if he stays healthy…
Sixers would literally just laugh at the Cavs for that proposal.
Of course they would. It is more meant as a thought experiment, not an actual trade scenario. How much do we value Love, versus a guy like Embiid with seemingly limitless potential but a very murky future as far as his ability to stay on the court? You can translate that kind of unknown potential into other scenarios in which the cavs get an entity with a lot of potential but uncertain future. I am thinking of future rookies specifically. Embiid is a known quantity on the court but a complete unknown as far as his long term health. A… Read more »
Watched the Sixers-Lakers game. Sixers are nuts, so much fun to watch.
There was at least one nice dribble penetration and dish from Shumpert to Love.
To my completely untrained eye our defense has looked much more active the last few games yet we’re still giving up points at times. It feels like a mix of lucky threes, lots of mid rangers and then the one piece we need to fix which is total lack of rim protection outside Wade and Frye
Man, those stat lines from Embiid and Simmons last night are straight up nasty.
And Embiid was facing Lopez, Bogut, and Randle. Kid is the real thing.
We’d have him if he hadn’t got hurt after declaring.
We may have traded him for Love as well.
I am sure he would have been gone and yeah, I am pretty certain I remember hearing he was number one on the cavs board up until the injury.
I thought we should have taken him anyway. Felt the same way about Noel. Cavs had no reason to shy from injury seeing that they were terrible.
He certainly looked like a sure thing back then if he could get healthy. He has looked like a superstar when he plays now too. However, I am still a little doubtful he stays healthy. I hope he does but given the history…we will see.
Don’t forget Hornets were gifted some ‘homer’ calls from officials that included a few ‘and 1’ shots…so game was close due to that….Cavs had 10 or 12 point lead when Kemba just drove wildly to basket and threw his hands in the air like Harden and got the whistle. Oh and Love getting elbowed in the face but still getting a call. Cavs are getting off to hot starts which is nice, but then falling into slumps in 2nd quarters only to pick it up in parts of second half. I do agree about JR imitating Korver by running constantly… Read more »
I would tell Lue to coach JR to run around off the ball like Korver does. Why do we tolerate the 4 guys standing around offense?
David this was a great recap. Missed most of the game but saw the last few of 3rd and 4th. As a pro observer of the first 4th of the season, If you could tell Lue one thing and one thing only…what do you say to him?
Tell Wade to cut out the crap