Reinforcements Arrive, or, How Koby Altman Worked the James Harden Trade Sweepstakes
2021-01-13While superstar James Harden was manuvering the sheer physical bulk of his emotions out the door in his final loss as a Houston Rocket vs. a joyful LeBron James, a number of NBA general managers were clearly very busy — including Koby Altman.
The Cavs have thus emerged tonight as one of the potential winners in a four-team megatrade. At the end of the day the Harden trade brings one very high-quality player to the Cavs — Jarrett Allen, a highly desirable 22-year old center — along with a solid frontcourt piece, namely Taurean Prince, Brooklyn’s second-unit small forward who is billed as a “3-and-D” player.
In return, the Cavs have sent springy but recently-injured backup guard Dante Exum to Houston, and relinquished two future draft picks (a 2022 unprotected first-rounder, more about which later) and a second-round pick downstream.
Nets are acquiring a 2024 second-round pick in the deal from the Cavaliers, sources tell ESPN. For Cavaliers, Jarrett Allen solidifies their future at the center spot. Remember, he's only 22 years old.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) January 13, 2021
#Cavs will also be sending a second-round pick somewhere in this wild deal, a source tells @clevelanddotcom. It's the worst second-rounder they had in their pile.
— Chris Fedor (@ChrisFedor) January 13, 2021
To make space both in the frontcourt and on the roster, Cleveland has released the lanky center Thon Maker and, after a two-game stint, backup guard Yogi Ferrell.
Dante Exum spent about thirteen months with the Cavs, having been swapped for the glorious chucker Jordon Clarkson in December 2019. His final game on the Cavs bench, fittingly perhaps, came against his former squad this week. According to Cavs team doctors, Exum is currently nursing a calf strain and thus is unlikely to appear with his new team (the Rockets) for a minimum of a month.
While he was on the team for a good stretch of time, in fact he ended up playing only 30 regular-season games with the Cavs. Unlike Clarkson, he was a decent distributor, averaging a couple of assists in about 18 minutes per game, but most of all he made his mark on the defensive end. A highlight of this crowdless season thus far was seeing Exum leap balletically around screens to chase and genuinely contain Trae Young in a fantastic win against the rising Atlanta Hawks.
Exum was not shooting it well thus far in his six games this season, with his 3-point percentage cratering to less than one make for every five attempts, but that wasn’t really his role on the team. With Delly out, Exum was there to stabilize and organize the second unit and provide some defensive length and speed on the perimeter.
In terms of chemistry, the trade leaves the Cavs without two of their three players with Australian ties. (Exum is a citizen and Thon Maker moved there as a five-year old refugee from South Sudan, and all three men have ties to the Australian national team.) So Matthew Dellavadova is again the sole Aussie on the squad and there should be more minutes for him when he returns.
Probably the biggest storyline to emerge for the Cavs out of the trade, apart from the basic ambition and Koby Altman’s remarkable hustle, is what Jarrett Allen’s acquisition means for the present and the future of the frontcourt. The Cavs are already stacked with centers, with Andre Drummond starting and snaffling up rebounds galore, and JaVale McGee doing a hell of a job both backing him up and sharing floor time. Drummond seemed to take the trade in stride, but maybe making upwards of $25 million a year allows one to have a certain flexible and generous outlook on life — not that James Harden is feeling that way at the moment.
Lmaoooooo I’m weak 😂😂 https://t.co/ka6HHe6Ttv
— Andre Drummond (@AndreDrummond) January 13, 2021
Drummond is contracted with the Cavs for the rest of the year, then a free agent next year. There will probably be ample trade scuttlebutt around both him and Jarrett Allen for a while, but more immediately Coach Bickerstaff will have to distribute minutes and find some new lineups in an already fluid year. Drummond is averaging 31 minutes a game and an obscene 15.1 rebounds per game (the latter stat has him leading the league; his nearest competition Rudy Gobert is back at 13.4 per game), whereas Jarrett Allen tends to play about 26 minutes a night with Brooklyn and garner 10.4 rebounds. With Larry Nance Jr. and Kevin Love on the squad it is hard to see how teams will match the Cavs propensity to rebound the ball.
Unlike JaVale McGee (and to a lesser extent the now-former Cavs Thon Maker and Tristan Thompson), Allen doesn’t launch 3s even ironically, with no attempts this year. He is clearly going to help the Cavs further anchor and deepen their defensive identity — which is quite impressive given that they are currently one of the top teams in the Association on defense.
On the salary and contract side, Allen gives the Cavs more stability than Drummond, with his contract taking him through 2021-22 at a salary of just under $4 million this year and $7.7 million next year. His next contract is hardly likely to be such a bargain for the organization — as Cavs the Blog writer Elijah Kim noted in an internal e-mail, “Whatever cap space the Cavs were going to have, kiss it all goodbye soon: the Sexton and Allen extensions will be close to $45-50M per year together.”
Taurean Prince is somewhat more enigmatic — he is not having a great year shooting the ball, but seemed to come out of a slump against Atlanta, the team that drafted him originally. Some of the more detailed defensive and 3-point analytics from last year are available here, but he’s back to shooting a respectable if not ideal .350 from three this year, with a .366 career average.
Prince is also relatively durable and versatile, which the Cavs really need at the moment. This isn’t an old vet who is clearly in decline (think DeMare Carroll, to summon another Atlanta-Nets alumni) just thrown into the trade; Koby Altman has managed to net a proven rotation player with some future and upside. To write an overly-familiar sentence, Dylan Windler’s absence does mean that there are minutes to be had in the second unit on the perimeter. There is also his interaction with Cedi Osman to consider — Cedi is launching three more shots per game than he did last year, and shooting a lower percentage, although it is hard to say that he has been anything other than a yeoman for the Cavs this year. (In spite of having fallen flat in his debut as a starter at Madison Square Garden.) He and Prince have some overlapping skill sets, and plays the same nominal position as Isaac Okoro, so again the standard caveats about the coach having to get in the lab with lineups and combinations apply.
Prince also brings another “Bull” to the Cavs — his name, Taurean, is a reference to the symbol of Taurus, which is the bull. Speaking of Colin Sexton, here’s one estimate of the current depth chart, noting that a backup point guard is still needed.
Garland / ? / Dellavedova
Sexton / Dotson / Porter Jr
Okoro / Osman / Prince / Windler
Love / Nance / Wade
Drummond / Allen / McGeeLe roster des Cavs est donc complet mais il serait très surprenant de voir Drummond ou McGee rester toute la saison.
Un backup PG est recherché.
— Cavs France (@CavsFRA) January 13, 2021
Finally, on the first-round pick relinquished in this trade by the Cavs — it is not the Cavs’ own 2022 first rounder, which they have retained, it’s the Bucks 2022 first round pick. This was acquired in December 2018 in the post-LeBron teardown/asset accumulation phase when George Hill was traded from the Cavs to the Bucks for John Henson and Delly. (Trigger warning — the linked story contains the words “the Cavs at some point will look to trade J.R. Smith, whose contract has value to an opposing team looking to clear cap space.”)
There is clearly more to shake out via this trade, not least the next chapter in the Brooklyn soap opera and how this might alter yet again the East vs. West balance of power between the almighty NBA conferences. But it is an evening where it is, yet again, good to be keeping an eye on the Cleveland Cavaliers and their transformation toward contention. Koby Altman is probably either smoking a celebratory cigar somewhere, or on the phone wheeling and dealing yet further, or perhaps both.
So Boston has now passed on
Kawhi
PG13
Harden
Butler
CP3
Westbrook
Basically so they can keep Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart.
Looking around the league I am pretty surprised that they got Allen this cheaply, there are 7-9 teams without any obvious long term C on their rosters and most of them could use a guy like Prince in their rotation.
SO THAT TRADE WITH THE CELTICS– (KYRIE ) –AND WE HAVE SEXTON—- ISN’T LOOKING ALL THAT BAD RIGHT NOW —-SAW THAT TWEET ABOUT ALLEN TAKING KIDS OUT FOR THANKSGIVING/ TEACHING THEM / ETC —–SOUNDS LIKE A HIGH CALIBER OF PERSON ALSO / WHICH I THINK THAT IS A PRIORITY CULTURE WITH THE CAVS ALSO
I think there is some chance that Kyrie will never play for the Nets again, and possibly never play in the NBA again. He is bat sh!t crazy.
I’d actually respect him walking away a lot more than stopping communication with his team.
The guys at SI gave us an A for the deal.
And Adam, really nice breakdown here. Well done.
ALL IN ON THE TRADE —-RECALL WHENEVER WE PLAYED THE NETS THE POSITIVE COMMENTS ON CTB ABOUT ALLEN ( AND HIS POTENTIAL )——YES THE NETS NOW HAVE 3 MULTI TALENTED PLAYERS —DURANT/ HARDEN / IRVING —-JUST DO NOT SEE THAT CHEMISTRY MESHING —HARDEN HAS BEEN THE ‘TOP DOG ” SINCE HE LEFT OKC AND CHASED PAUL / WESTBROOK OUT —-WE ALL KNOW HOW KYRIE FEELS PLAYING “2ND FIDDLE ” WITH HIS COMMENTS ABOUT LEBRON / REASON FOR LEAVING THE CAVS —-NASH BETTER HAVE A STASH OF LABAATS AVAILABLE
HaHa, right! LeBron is the perfect person to set up KI and distract attention, and that wasn’t good enough for him. Now he will have “never pass” JH instead. What are the chances that that will work.
I mean James Harden is averaging 10 assists this year and has led the league in assists. 3rd in league assist % this year, 7th last year, 4th the year before, 3rd the year before that, 2nd the year before that. JH passes a lot. Essentially functioned as a scoring pg for Houston.
yup, he’s a complete offensive system unto himself.
There is an argument to be made that because Harden dominates the ball he may not pass as much per individual possession or more importantly time of possession. But he does pass and those passes obviously generate a lot of points for his team. In some ways he is similar to lbj in that he can dominate the ball but when he does pass it often leads to points. One pass one shot but shots that lead to points. Biggest kink will be how that team divides dribble heavy possessions between Kyrie and Harden. Kyrie is probably better off ball… Read more »
Both Pelton and Lowe with dumb as fcuk Cavs takes on this trade. Pelton attributes Dre/McGee on the floor together to too many bigs on the roster rather than injuries (or JB loving big lineups). And then the usually smart Lowe does the same thing regarding us playing Wade at SG.
Is ESPN ever NOT stupid?
Yeah. We complained about em on pod.
Meh they were joking around. There simply isn’t much to say about the trade in depth, the Cavs added talent at a good price, but that talent doesn’t fit. If they ended up shipping Drummond out for something of value that makes the trade look a lot different than if they lose him as a UFA for nothing. I think people are sleeping on the possibility that they just plug Allen into the rotation with Drummond and see how it plays out with Nance and two Cs eating 90+ mpg. As an aside I am a little surprised that BRK… Read more »
My bet is it didn’t work from a salary standpoint. They can still trade him there into one of their exceptions, but for what is the question.
I like it. Good first move. Let’s see what else the GM does.
Also am going to enjoy the sh!?show in Brooklyn.
Kyrie has been an entire league’s worth of sh!?show all by himself. He’s totally not worth the garbage. I have very little doubt that his nonsense is a significant reason they pulled the trigger on Harden.
Hard for me to see how they’re not favorites to be honest. As long as they’re healthy and don’t completely self destruct…but I’d take the odds over the Lakers.
Think Kyrie won’t be injured by the playoffs? I don’t. Their bench is trash now, too. They’d need a lot of stuff go their way.
I dunno. Maybe maybe not. He had one playoff where he wasn’t. Three where he wasn’t.
Even with just Harden and KD, they are a tough out, but we’ve seen that show before, too. Their bench right now stinks, and they will miss Allen. I’m not too sold on them getting through a playoff grind.
must be joking
I don’t have the belief lbj will be able to turn it around on such a short layoff. If, if the nes stay healthy, they have two guys that can destroy you in any individual playoff game and the best hird wheel who doesn’t need to carry a team, but could wreak havoc if not the sole focus. Doesn’t seem like a joke. Seems sort of rational.
Can you name two more egotistical, “gotta take the shot”, head cases than Kyrie & Harden? You think they can play on the same team? What are the chances JH punches out KI at practice, and KI sulks?
It could happen. But winning, of which they’ll probably do a lot of had a way of curing all ills. Harden also probably knows this is his only shot at a ship.
I don’t deny chances for tension are high with those two, but I think if they win a lot in the regular season (which should moderate moods) and stay healthy those three are just too much of a handful to overcome.
The Nets have a high implosion factor with Kyrie & Harden. Plus KD & KI are often injured.
Three prickly personalities, but that is the most amount of talent assembled since 2017 GS. Era of the super team apparently isn’t dead. Two closers with Durant and Irving should solve Harden’s big game issues. More playmaking than they can know what to do with.
Frankly, they’re up there with LAL as prohibitive favorites.
man, Haliburton looks so good. Enjoy watching him play on offense
I’m happy with Okoro, but just stupid that Haliburton didn’t go way higher. Absurd.
Yeah. It annoys me.
This is a weird trade given the Cavs front court and injury situation but it is obviously a win in terms of net talent. Allen+Prince is a lot more than you could expect from Milwaukee’s 2022 pick and their ages fit with Garland/Sexton/Okoro/KJP, but are we really breaking up Nance/Drummond who are playing amazing D together? Drummond has been everything on D that people said he should have been for years, I wouldn’t mind shipping him out for a haul but its hard to construct that trade. I’m pretty sure that Boston’s TPE is just to small to take Drummond… Read more »
Can’t get a haul for Drummond because he is an UFA this summer. Love’s contract is still a pill to most teams.
Good write up on the trade, thanks!
Sorry to find one nit to pick, but Yogi played two games with the Cavs, not one.
I know, sorry again for being “that guy”.
Correction made, thanks for catching that!
Not sure how solid Prince is. If guys ever come back, KPJ for instance I would expect/hope prince is at the end of the wing rotation. Allen is a good pickup. Think cavs will be looking to move Drummond next.
Although Cedi might lose out minutes to prince. Cedi’s highs are probably higher, but his lows are some of the lowest in the league so that might not be a terrible thing.
Prince is a fringe top 200 guy according to PIPM, net rating has him top 300.
I expect KPJ to be used as a strictly backcourt player, combo guard, which shouldn’t interfere with wing minutes… however, there is a log jam if they want to see more of Windler once he gets healthy…. could see both Okoro and Windler see spot guard minutes to accommodate everybody.
Full health means Garland/Sexton/KJP and hopefully Windler eating up most of the 1/2 mins, meaning Okoro is playing almost entirely the 3 and as of now Drummond/Nance/Love/Allen are going to eat the 4/5 mins. Prince/Cedi are fighting over the backup 3 mins if such perfect health ever materializes. Cedi is better suited as a backup PG offensively which is an actual hole the Cavs have (unless Delly gets time in which case even fewer mins going around). I imagine that outside of Sexton/Garland/KJP/Okoro they would take calls on anyone, and no one is healthy now so its dumb to speculate….… Read more »
I don’t think we have any assets that will get Lavine. Certainly not Beal. Drummond is an FA. Sexton, not Garland would likely do it. It would have to be the Cavs first rounder this year. Or a couple first rounders.
nor Garland
Cavs have Sexton/Garland/Porter/Okoro/Windler and all their future firsts, a couple of young players a a few 1sts is going to get you in the conversation when guys are available and then it has a lot to do with which guys the GM of the selling team likes. Before the season it would have been harder but with Garland being a solid sophomore to date that adds another guy the Cavs can list as a long term starter with upside.
Yes they probably could if the combined guys with firsts or other young prospects, but then what is the point?
To get what they need to improve as a team? The Cavs can’t play all of their rotation worthy players once they are near full health which opens up the door for getting better by combining a couple of them into a player who is better or fits a need better.
Sure, but depends on how much they have to give up. I don’t think we know what we have with Garland yet, maybe not even sexton. We certainly don’t with Okoro. I would be very hesitant in giving up this year’s pick. Lavine probably fits the timeline as he is 25, not sure about Beal though. He will be 28 this year. Probably a few years ahead of the timeline for the other guys. If you could trade Sexton for Lavine with minimal other assets you might do it since Lavine is 6’5 or 6’6. Solves the small backcourt issue.… Read more »
So…
PG: Garland, Delly
SG: Sexton, KPJ, Dotson
SF: Okoro, Cedi, Prince, Windler
PF: Love, LNJ, Wade
C: Drummond, Allen, McGee
Best 3 man C rotation in league?
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1349516453406531585?s=20
it’s an OK trade, that can become a good/great trade depending on how much Allen develops and what number can they sign him for his 2nd contract. If they can lock him in for 4 years at a reasonable number, that’s a home run… especially if he gets stronger defensively.
But the pick wasn’t worth much since Giannis re-signed, although I wonder what’s the plan for Exum’s replacement… seems like that’s how Dotson will get minutes, and will continue to get minutes even if KPJ comes back.
Dotson seems like a worse shooter than Exum which is kind of amazing.
about the same to me LOL, which is to say bad… but i have some expectations Dotson makes his shots, while I never had any expectation Exum would make his shots.
2022 was supposed to be (potentially) the double up draft. I do not like losing a pick there. And we need all the help we can get.
Allen is not a good defensive rebounder.
the average return at that part of the draft is just not that good… even if it’s a stacked class.
Allen is a pretty good defensive rebounder, top 50 rebounding rate, and not much separates him from some of the elite rebounders. Having Andre Drummond skews people’s perception I guess.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1349515510304665608?s=20
I’m not mad at the trade.
I do not love this trade.
Out: Exum, 2022 1st (MIL), 2024 2nd.
In: Allen, Prince.
Prince is overrated. Allen is at our deepest position. Gotta be a Drummond trade coming. Or a McGee trade.
And now we need a backup PG.
Long term I do like Allen as a piece.
Drummond trade coming??
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1349501980318830593?s=20
Let’s just hope he doesn’t fall into a mega slump like last year.
Prince is going to be behind Nance/Okoro getting mins at least, if Love returns he is behind a 3rd player, and if Allen gets time at PF its 4. He is roughly on par with Cedi in terms of value with Cedi being a better ball-handler/distributor which the Cavs need right now, and Cedi is a year younger and a lot cheaper going forward. Prince is probably going to get shopped heavily around the league, and I could see him ending up in Denver or Minnesota for a couple of 2nds.