Cavs in Review: What’s in the Sauce?
2024-01-19The Cavs have been killing it lately. They’re won 11 of their last 14, and their rankings over the last two weeks have been eye popping. As you can see from the title pic, they’re No. 1 in net rating, No. 9 in offense, and No. 2 in defense over that stretch. There are a lot of ins and outs and what-have-yous that can explain that graphic and the Cavs’ overall. It’s worth exploring them and figuring out whether this stew is sustainable. I’m channeling my inner skeptic here so get your rotten tomatoes out to throw at me (though in this weather they’re probably frozen). Just don’t put ’em in the sauce.
Ingredient One: Lousy Opponents. I know. I know. I know. You play the team that’s in front of you, but let me throw some cold water on this sauce. The Cavs and their fans are doing the same thing we did last season as we progress towards the playoffs. The Cavs have been bumslaying just like they did after the holidays last year, and it could be causing us to overvalue these wins. Of the last 13 opponents, only the Bucks, Mavericks, and Pelicans have winning records, and the Cavs are 2-2 against those teams, with one of those wins coming Wednesday against a Bucks team that did not show up. The Cavs 40 point blowout was a result of them playing great, and Milwaukee playing like deer pellets. No good team is going to let Georges Niang shoot six wide open three pointers again. (Though, hilariously, in a monster game where he scored 33 points and the Cavs won by 40, Georges had a +/- of zero). Before we really jump on this bandwagon, let’s see the Cavs beat teams who aren’t resting guys and borderline tanking. Don’t put this chili up against Hormel. Take it a professional cook-off.
Ingredient Two: Lineups. One boon is that this stretch of indigent opponents is that it is coming while Garland and Mobley are on extended absences due to injury. I’m not saying there’s ever a good time to have two of your best players hurt, but these maladies could’ve definitely come at worse times. Sometimes that substitution of Oregano for Thyme just gives your spaghetti the right kick. The Garland and Mobley injuries have forced JB to play with the fresh herbs of balanced rosters that more align to traditional NBA positions and 21st century offense. Let’s face it. The Cavs four best players are two small guards and two centers. Is it a coincidence that Jarrett Allen came to life when Evan Mobley left the lineup?
Dean Wade is worse at everything on a basketball court than Evan Mobley except one thing: shooting threes. Teams were absolutely content to let Mobley clank away at anywhere other than the rim, with his 35% from mid-range and putrid 20% from three. It was easy to crowd the paint on Allen, and even with the (being generous here) inconsistent-from-deep-Okoro in the starting lineup, the Cavs are now running a four out offense. And while not as dynamic Evan defensively, Dean Wade is a pretty solid player on the defensive end and opens up the paint for Jarrett Allen as a stretch four.
I get a little fed up with the coddling the Cavs do for Mobley and I bet JA does too. No one should be greenlit to clank away at 20% from deep, and it always baffled me that JA, whose shooting mechanics are much better than Mobley’s, didn’t have the same green light. Whether that was coaching or self-imposed, Allen was reluctant to fire from deep. It is worth a shot, because when the Cavs park Mobley in the corner, they’re playing four-on-five offensively.
Darius Garland suffers from none of the shooting malaise that Evan Mobley does, but to say he was struggling before he left the lineups is an understatement. Garland is posting a career low 35% from three so far this season while his attempts were down to 5.2 (for comparison, in his all-star year, he was shooting 6.5). What Garland does share with Mobley so far this year is a penchant for turnovers. In the 25 games, the Cavs played before Garland and Mobley were both out of the lineup, the Cavs averaged 14.1 turnovers. In the 14 games since? 12.7. That may not seem like much, but when you combine it with rebounding, the numbers become clear. The Cavs are two offensive rebounds per game better and 1.5 turnovers per game better since Garland and Mobley went out of the lineup. Thats almost 3.5 extra possessions per game. Further, what’s really telling is Jarrett Allen’s assist rate going from 2.4 per game to 3.9 while lowering his turnovers as an offensive hub, especially when contrasted to Mobley’s turnovers (2.3) when Evan was the offensive hub.
This really gets eye popping when you realize that this is per game instead of pace adjusted.
The Cavs are posting a 4.2% better total rebound rate. Where is this all coming from? The Cavs are finally running the offense that they should have been running for the last three seasons: let it fly. Keys to letting it fly? Sam Merrill is launching five threes a game in just 15 minutes on a blistering 43% shooting. I castigated the Cavs for not playing CPJ enough, but Sam HAS to play. He’s the volume three point shooter the Cavs need, and his gravity is opening the offense for other guys like LeVert and Georges Niang.
Ingredient Three: Fresh Herbs. I’m looking at you, Tristan Thompson, Dean Wade, Sam Merrill, and Craig Porter Jr. Your unexpected competence has saved the sauce that is this regular season. I mean good lord, did anyone expect TT to be this good after being out of the league for a year!? If you look below, an EPM for a TT of -0.8 doesn’t look great, but it’s still 59th percentile in the NBA, and oh, he’s still at 98th percentile in offensive rebound rate. That’s replacement level, which for a bench player is fine, and it’s a damned site better than the Cavs’ having to rely on Damian Jones.
Meanwhile, Sam Merrill is playing like a monster off the bench, and has been a revelation with real minutes. CPJ is playing fine for a rookie, especially an undrafted free agent, and has a bright future.
Ingredient Four: the offense. Bring the spice. Bring the fire. As all us capsaicin junkies say when saucing anything, let the fire flow. The three point attempt rate has gone from 38% to 47% of possessions and the defense has stayed the same. The Cavs are finally running a dynamic offense that is not afraid to release the flaming catapults full of reaper peppers when open.
I argue that the Cavs have stolen the offense that the Oklahoma City Thunder were running when they visited them earlier this season: initial action sets up a look, and a it’s drive to the elbow or the baseline and kick until someone’s open or you get a layup. If the defense overplays the perimeter, it’s a lob or a post-up to JA who has an easy one-on-one. The Cavs drive and kick until someone is open, and the longer rebounds make offensive rebounding easier.
This all doesn’t even mention the transition offense which looks much better. I’d love to run the numbers on transition offense, but I’ll bet you they aren’t turning it over nearly as much as they were, and that Mitchell and Okoro have been much more effective, while Niang, Strus, and Wade have been getting good looks as trailers. Spicy.
So all-in all, it’s been a pretty good run, and the Cavs get their last shot at a loser for a while against Atlanta, Saturday. I really want to see what this team can do in the chili cookoff against a healthy Bucks and Kings squad before Garland comes back, because they feel like they’ve got something cooking, and it might just be time to think about a long term roster that isn’t built around two small guards and two centers. If I’m the Cavs, I’m quietly shopping Garland and Mobley or Allen (not both) and my recipe for braised brisket. I know that’s blasphemy, but if the Cavs could get a really good forward for Garland, they’d have to think about it. I doubt they do anything this year because the vibes are good, but if I were Koby it would be in the back of my mind. I think I’m hungry.
*stats courtesy of basketball-reference.com and dunksandthrees.com.
Young has a concussion after getting hit with Ice’s inadvertent elbow last night on that charge.
He’ll never play D again.
FWIW, the Magic will also be on a B2B for our game in Orlando. A fortuitous bit of scheduling on this trip. A win there and a split in Milwaukee would make for a fantastic trip. Strus is banged up and looks like he needs a rest. He has started every game. He and Niang or the only guys to play in all 40. He needs a rest. Thiugh with Caris out,,I would not necessarily do it now, but soon. In the meantime, I’d look to lighten his load a bit. More CPJ, Merrill, Wade, & Okoro minutes. Especially if… Read more »
Great write up. Too bad Cavs media coverage doesn’t delve into this level of analysis in interviewing JB. Few observations: I’ve seen 2 Cavs games this season and went to one of the shootarounds (in Sacramento). The best shooter? Mobley. He hit everything from 3 (and everywhere else). He has a slow release and hesitates in games, but if he plays with more confidence/speed, he is definitely capable. Notice that his FT percentage is up 10 points this year. I also agree with those who point out that Giannis and all the other superstars didn’t peak until about the 5th… Read more »
FWIW, we only have 1 guy who has a,negative ON Court for the season, Niang at -1.5. Wade +8.8, Mitchell +7.8, Strus +7.0, Allen +5.9, Garland +3.8, Mobley +3.0, CPJ +2.4, Okoro +2.2, LeVert +1.0.
We only have two guys where we are negative when they are OFF court: Mitchell (-1.6), and Strus (-3.5).
Great piece Nate! Excellent find on the extra possessions via rebounding and taking care of the ball.
Disagree on shopping DG or Mobley though, If JB simply benches the weakest links in Okoro and Niang and plays Merrill and Wade instead when DG/Mobley come back, I think they can keep the gravy train rolling.
Now that we’ve seen a little bit of success in the motion style, I think there’s something to be said for this team being a little redundant in the regular season (seems clear we can win a bunch of games and get a good seed in a variety of styles — not sure we crack 60 wins or something but don’t need to). I think in the playoffs, I’d rather have Garland and Mitchell and Mobley and Allen (now that we have shooters). Think playoff success comes down to effective shot creation against elite defense, and elite defense on the… Read more »
Mobley and Garland are still developing. It would be foolish to move them; there is no way you would get equal value. I’m hoping Kobey is still thinking long term. I think he’s betting on this particular core, and we haven’t seen nearly enough to change course.
Yeah, you’ve seen us go from stinky cheeks to regular cheeks to average to good. too young to know if the ceiling is good or great yet.
Great work Nate! Also. On D without two small guards we are just rebounding better. And hounding the perimeter better. I love our top 4 players but they are simply redundant. Cavs will try like hell to make it work but then re-assess in the offseason. I think one of them will be moved in the summer. But which? Lose a big or a guard ?
not a chance.
Great piece, Mr Smith. It’s all down to player ceilings and unfortunately we may not get much more info on Mobes & DG’s trajectory than we did last season. Prior to their injuries I can’t say I was impressed by their showing in this one. I think the reason Mobes was being given clearance to launch his slowmo catapult 3 pt attempts so often was due to TMW (The Mitchell Window). Fair to say if JB doesn’t recognise that the experiment failed and needs to be replaced by a return to the fundamentals, this would be not good. I think… Read more »
Hawks beat Miami in FL tonight sans Trey. On Murray’s second game winner in a row. No buzzer beater, but a 3 when down 2 on the road with 2 seconds left is near as good.
The Hawks should trade Trae, but they can’t.
Yep. They will trade Murray instead.
But the two small guards thing didn’t pan out for ATL just like it didn’t in Portland.
Murray isn’t small really, I think he’s like 6-5 with a 6-9 wingspan?
ATL not working is just underperformance across the board, I don’t think it’s a failure of team building theory. Nothing too terrible happened to them, it’s just more bad than good breaks.
John Collins being weirdly butt after a run of being a great #2, losing Huerter, the Hunter pick (they didn’t exactly whiff the pick given who came after but he was their last best shot at real high-end homegrown talent), and the younger guys are nice but kind of ehh (Bogi, Okunwu, Johnson).
Juice Collins? Not the same since he got off the roids.
Thanks for that. I did not realize Murray was that tall. Or long, for that matter.
FWIW, isn’t Mitchell kinda long for his size?
A: more than kinda. 6’10” wingspan.
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/donovan-mitchell/
Mitchell plays HUGE. I think he has some insane feet too, like a size 17
BOTH EMBIID/GIANNIS DIDNT REALLY “ BLOSSOM “ UNTIL THEIR 4th SEASON
LIKE I POSTED BEFORE—( IT IS A GOOD DILEMMA/ PROBLEM THAT THE CAVS HAVE) —- THIS IS WHAT THE COACHES ARE GETTING PAID TO FIGURE OUT AND IT MIGHT MEAN PLAYERS SACRIFICING TIME/ STATS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE TEAM————WE SHALL FIND OUT SOON
Excellent write up Nate!
The new starting lineup with Wade, Okoro, and Strus just plays super solid straight-up D with no gimmicks. Those 3 just man up and body all over the floor, with Mitchell poaching steals and JA protecting the rim.
Having Mobley out there adds big time shot blocking, but that leads to the Cavs letting more guys into the paint and giving up more offensive rebounds as the bigs tend to leave their man to go for blocks.
Agreed! Yeah Wade, Strus, and Ice much more physical than DG
GOOD POINT MR STEAL—-GOING TO CHECK IT OUT
Thanks for a fun and smart article! When healthy I’d like to see Wade getting most of Niang’s minutes. And I’d like to see Merril get a chunk of Strus’s. You can’t trade DG or Mobley (unless you get Lebron as suggested in your tweet, ha). Mobley is so young and raw and is already a top 3 defender in the league. His offense will get better and I bet he can improve the j with time. With time and hard work I still have visions of a big star. If you want to split up the big men you’d… Read more »
Next two years we’ll see whether the two guards and two bigs are real issues in the playoffs or not. It might be academic if the talent level of the core four continues to rise. It’s scary how much better Mitchell and Allen have become in a season and a half.
Spida has, throughout his career, been absolutely terrible at passing/lobbing to bigs. I think one year he had like 2 assists to Gobert ALL year. Some of that was them not liking each other, but damn!
He has gotten better here, but it is still not a strength.
And just to clarify my trade stance, I am not trading anyone this year. No way. Let’s see how they do this year as compared to last.
And no way I trade Mobes.
I FOLLOWED//HYPED SAM MY MAN ALL LAST YEAR// AM A HUGE FAN —— THINK HE IS BETTER SUITED AS A “ COME OFF THE BENCH GUNSLINGER “ ——- STRUS s SHOT MIGHT NOT BE FALLING—- BUT HE DOES SO MANY OTHER THINGS WELL—— AND HE PLAYS “ WITH AN EDGE “ WHICH WE NEED OUT THERE
NOT GIVING UP ON MOBES — WAY TOO EARLY— YOU GO BACK ON THE GREEK FREAK // EMBIID THEIR FIRST 2.5 YRS WERE NOT ALL STAR MATERIAL——- YES EVERY TIME I LOOK. AT THE JAZZ BOX SCORE I WANT LAURI BACK EVEN MORE—- EVEN SEXTON PUTTING UP SOME IMPRESSIVE STATS ———- NOT GOING TO REVISIT THE TRADE —- BUT HAVE TO BELIEVE THE FANS THINK JAZZ WON / KILLED THAT TRADE
Had Embiid even played 40 games after 2.5 years?
I might trade Mobes for Lauri!
btw, who were all the CtB’ers who were screaming about trading LNJ for Lauri?
Not me.
Nice work Nate. I was thinking about how DG and Mobes return will likely negatively impact this free flowing offense. My concern with shipping DG is pending free agency of Spida. I would hate to lose both of them. But I’m totally open to maybe trading Mobley for a viable 3. I’d hate to give up on him, but he seems like a larger work in progress (offensively) than I anticipated. And he may never get there. For the time being JB needs to get creative and stagger DG and Mobes more.
get serious.
Get a life!
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One last note, is it is not like anything flukey/unsustainable is going on, shooting wise.
As a team, we are kinda crappy on 3s. Percentage wise we are 26th. Everyone who plays is under 37% except for Merrill. We are more willing than able, so far.
Player, 3PTA/GM, 3PT%, Corner 3%
Merrill, 5.3, 43.1%, 56.0%
Niang, 4.9, 36.5%, 26.3%
Wade, 3.8, 36.4%, 46.3%
Mitchell, 9.0, 35.6%, 35.7%
Okoro, 2.6, 35.1%, 37.7%
Porter Jr., 0.8, 35.0%, 25.0%
LeVert, 5.7, 34.7%, 32.3%
Garland, 5.2, 34.6%, 47.1%
Strus, 7.8, 33.7%, 36.4%
E. Mobley, 0.5, 20.0%, 14.3%
Agree. We are generating threes and points with two non shooters
Even the “shooters” are not very accurate. Sans Sam.
I read somewhere is averages the most 3PA/36 min of any qualified player in the association.
Great piece Nate! Love the pasta analogy. Caution is warranted, as you say. But doing this with Okoro & Wade starting is amazing..yes?
Anyone having us going 8-2 and leading the NBA with Ice & Wade starting……and a LeVert, Niang, TT, Merrill, CPJ bench unit?
You are not wrong on the 2 small guards & 2 C’s thing. Some of JA’s slow start was due to being hurt pre-season. Still, I’d think about a LOT of staggering minutes and fewer together.
I just hate the idea of trading talent for fit. Allen, DG and Mobley are basically “worst player on the All Star team” level talents right now and are young and developing.
Equivalent talents at the 2 and 4 are like Bradley Beal, healthy Middleton, Siakam, Lauri, Randle…ick (as straight up trades for DG who to me has Steve Nash 2.0 as a ceiling)